The Arcane Universe is... pretty bleak ngl

technically no, they’d probably just have to work a bit harder to get to that point :person_shrugging:

you were probably just using this as an example but the amount of magic used in a magic blast isn’t a set value. a berserker can absolutely get to a point of aura usage where they’re stronger than MOST magic users and can obliterate their magic blasts with an aura-infused punch, it’s just more difficult for them to do so

No Polemos is the boxing teacher from AA

He one shot a stronger version of kraken, that himself, is still much stronger than any npc in nimbus/bronze right now

but why

yea ok “human limitation” but like, mages are humans too, are they not subject to the same limitations as we are? are mages just suddenly not humans now?

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oh look! he mentioned trace amounts of magic!!

we’re kind of past that point

now it’s a question of why zerkers seemingly just can’t get as much “magic” as mages can when they’re literally both pure builds and are supposed to be counterparts of eachother.

zerkers in lore wouldnt have unlocked their first mind so they cant use magic fully

aren’t minds retconned

Correct!

There’s not really any reason to force it to be this way either. The people that can best interact with the power system are going to be the strongest. Settings where that gap can be breached by regular people are cool, but it is neither necessary nor inherently good writing for that to be the case.

The guys who don’t have to deal as much with aging for centuries? I think they might be a little different.

cause magic users harness far more magic energy through the use of magic circles. magic circles are humanity’s way of tapping into the power of chaos in greater amounts. if that same berserker were to unlock magic use and start harnessing magic circles to become a warlock, they would have it just as easy as a mage

classes don’t exist in lore so this stuff is a lot more fluid anyway

this was a lame as hell decision by vetex, I’m fully onboard the lore hatetrain for this retcon

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amazing!

there is literally nothing stopping zerkers from being as good as mages!

but they for some reason aren’t because skibidi toilet haha lol poppy playtime digital circus lankybox haha looksmaxxing Ohio!!!

Anyways can we get back to the actual topic instead of trying to debate whether or not non-magic users having less potential makes sense or not?

i dont remember, either way not everyone can actually use magic, for example durza, or pretty much everyone on cirrus island except that one snow mage

i cant believe im arguing with kids about essentially powerscaling…

well it doesn’t because

-minds don’t exist anymore

-zerkers are counterparts to mages

-they can both do superhuman things

I guess we’re gonna ignore the fact that zerkers can basically smash mountains in half with their bare hands but I guess every human can do that mb

Since when do minds not exist :sob: This whole topic got derailed so hard

If you want to torture someone just force them to comprehend Vetex’s lore

Since a few months ago

this honestly makes things so much worse because not only is magic harder to use due to RNG with genes but it’s also just arbitrarily better

wow I started a war wth there’s like 5 people typing

U gon provide a screenshot or…