alright i guess we cant fix anything ever until all other bugs are fixed
Tbf that’s just bugs being buried for months since there’s so many of them
This isnt a good look for the balance team 
You can use waterbreathing pots at nearly any time you choose too. But i do understand your definition of accessible better now since you are correct in saying that gems arent a 1 time use but instead a permanent boost once equipped. Still doesnt mean that having these gems equipped is a better choice all the time when diving due to the reason you quoted before this argument.
Simply because diving is not an important mechanic to the game. The potions dont even last that long anyways unless you make a brew, which doesnt allow for as much mobility/freedom. Or you could make an aura but thats pretty expensive so it all works out pretty well imo.
Fair, but that doesnt mean it shouldnt exist in ao
Which takes proper investment and forces you to run less swim speed, thus balancing things out
which would be ass while also costing you 50 auric seaweed compared to 10 or even 5 (waterbreathing 4 is already pretty good)
Literally explained it, did you read anything i said? Anyways in case you didnt: its balanced because another set exists with imo equal viability for diving purposes. You also called it “little cost” when you need a minimum of 5 musgravites, 25 auric seaweed (this part is relatively cheap), 5 leg scales (the expensive part) and 2 reagents (cheap again), which is NOT something a casual player can get easily. You can also get infinite underwater time through waterbreathing 5 pots which arent nearly as expensive as the gems if youre only going diving for like 6 full hours 
. Not to mention how infinite underwater time isnt gamebreaking at all since diving is a relatively minor gameplay feature
there is a world where we can do balancing without infinity being involved
so close yet so far
Yet that world requires unecessary effort from the bteam and vetex
I wouldn’t say this was buried though, it was a well known fact
did they find this bc of my video
5 musgravites isnt hard just trade randoms/ do dark sea
25 auric seaweed isn’t hard ur already diving
for the 5 leg scales just join a luck party to make it like 1 scale (just trade randoms)
I’m so sorry that in an argument about infinite waterbreathing that I didn’t account for the additional variable of swim speed because you have to perform mathematical minmax calculations on the average amount of time it takes to complete a swim run and in this same world you can’t account for people using luck reagents because “the average player doesn’t know they exist.”
I’ll make sure to do a better job next time someone decides to criticize the balance team for patching a 1 shot ability "but actually there’s this super niche combo that has an even quicker TTK than the one shot so it’s fine. Dang guess I should’ve known that beforehand.
I’m saying buried in the bug list, from what I’ve heard the bug list forum in the discord is so big some of the old ones get deleted by discord
i mean thats not wrong but so is literally every balance change ever. if you keep being so fearful of any change then we’d never progress
plus, not to be rude but its not really your problem. the goal is to fix the bug, if further balancing is required then its the balance team’s problem
its not because the current balancing of waterbreathing jewels when compared to other jewels is fine that it should keep relying on a bug, theres more than just balancing jewels between eachother when they make some potion types entirely obsolete
Why are you so brainrotted about the balance team I’ve largely stopped talking with the balance team for like 10 different reasons, I have about a 1% involvement there and that’s being generous.
I’m just not gonna see someone post “the balance team is cooked because infinite waterbreathing is getting bug fixed” and think that anyone has anything valuable to say. Respectfully I just came to say this is dumb, I didn’t realize we were performing swimtime calculations with swimspeed and waterbreathing to determine the end value.
bro did you even read what i said , i literally said those parts were cheap
casual players dont even know how to join luck parties and these parties are held significantly less frequently rn due to the party nerf
or just test it in the TU? 
you dont need to know the exact mathematical values because i dont either, nor do experienced divers
balance changes should be made when necessary, this one is not necessary. Im not fearful of balance changes that are needed to try to balance something, im fearful of changes that clearly negatively impact the game that later need to be fixed because the change wasnt necessary in the first place
As for your second point, youre right about it not being my problem to do further balancing. But it is my problem when said balancing effects me, no? If the goal is to fix a bug then make the bug a feature if that positively effects the game? Easy as that
I literally said it doesnt make pots obsolete tho? I gave proper reasoning for my argument too so idk why you even mention this. Theyre balanced compared to other jewels and theyre balanced compared to pots for the reasons ive stated at least like 3x by now
Because it is literally the balance team this time that proposed to bug fix , but if youre not part of the bteam much anymore then thats mb for acting like you were a part of the bteam.
why is bro always talking about the casual players like any of them give a shit about minmaxing diving gear
what even is the point of repeatedly diving now that luck parties have just been murdered
Buddy I don’t know if I’m conflating you with the guy who posted this but yall are talking like this is quite literally the end of the world when this will not affect many people at all.
I’m still “part of the balance team” but due to not playing this game too much rn, not talking on Discord in general as much, lack of motivation, disagreements*, etc. I don’t involve myself too much, I literally only heard about this today.
*Note this is one factor I am not throwing shade. I wouldn’t dissociate with something entirely over minor disagreements that is cringe.
You’re right, it’s not balanced. But the question here shouldn’t be whether it IS balanced, rather whether it NEEDS balancing.
Seriously, who actively uses waterbreathing, much less INFINITE waterbreathing, in a build other than diving spot grinders and people who literally don’t know any better? Most people are just gonna use waterbreathing pots anyway cause they’re less of a chore to get. It doesn’t even really affect PvP aside from the fringe cases of people hiding in the ocean with it.
Balancing every little aspect in a game should not be the be all end all, especially for something as niche as waterbreathing jewels that don’t affect that vast majority of gameplay.
eh i wouldnt say its necessary because it doesnt really hurt anyone, just that its the best time to do it as the abyss just got added where you are intended to use potions to even have a chance to survive
the same way grinding legendary scales endlessly with luck potions before didnt hurt people, it just screwed the game over cuz anyone could get anything they want super easily. like yeah its fun, but at this point just make an AO sandbox where everyone can have anything and everyone would go there, have their power trip, get bored and leave.
Because for dedicated players its pretty easy to get a good set no?
what even is the point of diving spots if repeatedly diving has no point?
Where did i say it was the end of the world? I get that you dont want to read through everything i said but it wouldve helped a lot if you did anyways. I responded to meta saying this:
which is the entire reason why im still arguing
But it is tho and you proved it with your argument. Other than that i mostly agree with what you said
idk man I clicked on a thread where the initial hook is a guy ranting about the bteam over an air capacity change I’m not gonna be very charitable when half the people crying about the bteam will do it over stuff like this rather than substantive criticisms
bro I don’t even understand what ur points are supposed to say
it seems like you aren’t even countering them at all