In a discussion about water breathing jewels, inevitably swim speed jewels are also relevant.
In both of your messages up to this point you’ve straight up said “I don’t dive” and “I don’t know about water breathing”.
If you do not know about these things, at what point should you be arguing about them?
The other build (140% swim speed + waterbreathing 4/5 pots) is likely going to be better for those anyways… Most people wanting to even try abyssal diving spots would still only use pots anyways unless theyre willing to invest in a better set for the long run
As for comparing inf air to luck parties, thats just ridiculous imo. Diving is by no means even close to how op luck parties were and still are
Fair enough honestly, bear’s response was by no means professional but i think i did a decent job covering his concerns about inf air jewels right?
Bro what 
. Sorry but if you dont understand what seem to be clearly understood arguments by meta, fluect and waping then i cant help you. And the arguments def did counter theirs since ive yet to have any of them counter my arguments with any new arguments. Its the same old “infinite air cap jewels is bad” yet potions and the other set offer a balanced alternative in the short and long term respectively
And yet you are quite literally argued “the average player wouldn’t know luck reagents exist.” Are we balancing off minmaxxers or not?
I am telling you that you can’t have anything valuable to say in terms of balancing if you have
I cannot believe I need to emphasize this so much.
My points had literally nothing to do with minmaxers.
My point is that you said you have no clue what you’re talking about and are continuing to argue about it against people who have used these jewels extensively and regularly dive ingame.
How am I supposed to take your points seriously when you preface everything with “I dunno I don’t even interact with this lol”.
what is this supposed to mean? it doesn’t even mention the casuals it just says its easy for people who play a lot to get stuff which is very obvious
wasn’t even talking about diving spots i meant underwater structures
Yes, I made my intentions clear ages ago.
Yeah and my point is if you are going to be accounting for minmaxxers (which is why you’d factor in people using both swim apeed and waterbreathing) then why on earth would you ever say the words “average player wouldn’t know luck exists.” Then I could just say “yeah the average player doesn’t do any of this either.”
I was saying that to emphasize that people aren’t using luck potions to get better gem rolls because the game does jack shit to tell people that golden fish even exist and fishing sucks so much in the first place that most players wouldn’t even do it if they knew about it.
im a bit busy to responde to other stuff but why argue on stuff u have no idea? anyways back to what i was doing
I explained to you that for casual players the amount of effort to get 100% air cap balances it out for its viability. In responses to fluect, waping and meta i explained that 100% air cap is balanced for minmaxxers/dedicated players as well since potions are good enough in the short/cheap term while the other set (140% swim speed + pots) is good in the expensive/long term similar to the complete waterbreathing diving set (100% air cap + 90% swim speed)
Swap the term diving spots for underwater structures and you get the exact same picture. Also i said diving spots since you also dive at underwater structures which are spots, so both terms are correct anyways. But if you want me to specify then i meant underwater structures, not the small and much higher located diving spots
Edit: Also you didnt counter my argument of using your own logic against you either. So if theres no point to repeatedly diving like you said then why have any diving activities in the game either?
Cuz if I see people saying “balance team is cooked over something that affects 12 people” and the issue in question is a bug fix that seems to be a common sense issue I’m not gonna enter the thread and think “these people are going to be brigning up very poignant points and I should consider their perspectives.”
I see something like that I’m coming in to argue and that’s it.
Well all you’ve done is make yourself look dumb because you, let me repeat this now, have prefaced all of your arguments with:
“I dunno I don’t even interact with this lol”
my point was that if theres no point in diving why complain to the ends of the world when your infinite underwater set gets nerfed to 3 minutes
Yeah because I’m not going to start lying to save face.
Then you have no points to make.
why are you still here? why were you here in the first place?
I am 100% certain that the people arguing against you here, unlike you, have actually used these systems before.
maybe because there is still plenty of reason to go diving, especially with abysal diving spots? your logic is flawed because it would imply that all diving activities are useless, at which point you might as well get rid of them. Which is also just incorrect
im arguing on his side and i’ve used these systems
I see you have made no point about wheater the change itself is bad (even though it hasn’t even been implemented yet)
you’ve just been dissing the balance team
reasons change is good:
people have to use potions now
the sea is actually a threat and they aren’t just mostly invincible from it
diving spots and the new deep diving spots (forgot what they’re called) will actually require more skill (you don’t get infinite time there)
so it’s harder to get sea diver badge
dark sea will be more scary/difficult
also you can’t be mad at them for wasting your grind the game isn’t even done yet
I was here to argue with people who I thought were just here to cry about dumb stuff because that’a 99% of what this community does nowadays, see the previous example I brought up about people complaining Thermo’s DoT should be removed. These are the type of issues people make a big deal about. I’m not gonna see “don’t bug fix infinite water breathing” and think that this time I encountered geniuses.
You don’t look much better given that you’ve jumped into an argument and started going off on things that you openly don’t know shit about.
wow we need an entire diving set to loot an abyssal diving spot once (nobody cares about resistance and you can always use other modifiers)
I never said this. quote me if I am wrong
how can my logic be flawed if you haven’t proven the fact that not all diving activities are useless to a degree