I would rather the doc be contributed to that then all the meaningless changes that get added just to be removed later.
Look am i glad that the bteam is atleast capable of putting obvious changes that are needed in the doc? Yes but there needs to be a different system theres too much innefficiencies going on consistently that could be and need to be fixed.
They have said that they are trying to improve communication with vetex, to help fix these inefficiencies so we will just have to wait and see.
That problem has layers to it. Vetex doesn’t communicate with them for a reason think about it.
Plus I somewhat talk to vetex on like a month to month basis if its that hard for them to get a response from him its from problems they caused themselves. Why would Vetex want to be in constant communication with guys that first throw him under the bus then are like “yeah we need to communicate with him” that doesn’t sound like the kind of relationship i would want with anybody.
The reason I feel dissapointment with the bteam is because I know that none of you have ever done anything exceptionally hard. You guys couldn’t take whatever criticism you guys recieved and take it to the chin. Instead you guys had to unnecassarrily throw Vetex under the bus. Then say you guys need to be in communication with him, why would he want to communicate with you guys after that… You guys don’t actually appreciate hardwork. What Vetex has done is way harder than the small role you guys have to play. None of you deserve the role you guys have.
this has literally nothing to do with what i said but ok, we have barely tweaked magic stats compared to release and yet its our fault you think magics are bland? there are 20 base magics, half of which haven’t been touched in any major way in terms of balance. if you expect all 20 magics to be unique, idk why you started playing in the first place because they were never that far apart from each other to begin with if u compare release stats to now. status effects also exist and have hardly been touched, they’re in a solid spot rn. i have 11 slots total all with different magics, i think theyre almost just as different as they were when they started so really ur complaint is about the game itself and not what we did
as for platforms, vetex has already expressed a distaste for any form of movement across the sea that is not using your boat
as for stuns? nobody liked them, and it’s really not hard to see why
as for kb… wind literally has MORE kb than t did at release because it affects people charging moves… it was just removed on ones where it was horrible to fight against
Just because there are 20 doesnt mean they cant all be unique - elemental battlegrounds has dozens of magics and they are unique in that they have different spells. Maybe different magics could have different lost spells, i.e wind summoning a tornado, water making a wave or something like that?
Probably more of an endgame and vetex thing tho.
yea this is literally exactly it, nothing in our control, vetex has saved most of the unique things for lost and ancient magics anyway
i was referring to enchantment scrolls being added but yeah that makes sense
You guys are capable of creative changes and should be more focused on that. You guys did it with the surge rework. I should be a head of b team to ensure that the changes are in the right direction and not overcomplicated. As for all the super heavy nerfs you guys do it does not only harm short term but long term too because now future things that get implemented have to be along whatever efficiency things are at now where they render useless.
In conclusion I’m going to become b team lead and make sure I amplify the strong suits of the game because Vetex’s games stand out and are different. I also wouldn’t throw Vetex under the bus to save face.
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no, because thats not what vetex wants us to do, i already said this, vetex would fire u if u were head 
You guys should be fired for surge rework then
Plus I’m not going to force any changes on to Vetex id just give him the most favorable one’s to glance at and see if he likes it. Balancing the game is easy b team should be offering morr depth as well as balancing. They go hand and hand.
nothing is forced onto him to begin with?? the balance doc is basically a list of suggestions, vetex decides what he wants to do or not lol
it is also very hard to take your criticism seriously when everythnig leads back to “i will do better make me lead” you didn’t even know the purpose of the balance team and think u can do better? i have said over and over again it is not our job to add depth to the game nor is it what vetex wants us to do and your response is to either completely ignore it or say “u should be fired”
You say that but then you guys do a whole surge rework. I doubt vetex directly said he doesnt want any creative help from you guys I want to see proof.
The “surge rework” was pretty much a series of number changes and the addition of a simple formula that even the most novice programmer could do. How are you not seeing that it is completely different than building entirely new, magic-specific features from the ground up??
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doubt vetex directly said he doesnt want any creative help from you guys I want to see proof.
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While it isn’t really solid proof, vetex is known to be kind of stubborn when it comes to other people adding and making suggestion to his game. It’s one of the major reasons why he won’t hire new programmers, as he does not want them to interfere with his vision for the game.
I was actually looking for that rework because I thought it was too, thanks
ask leads urself youre not entitled to me showing u proof for common sense
HEAVY on this, everyone including testers know this
I know nothing about balancing other than how stupidly strong attack size can get, but what I can say with 100% confidence is that the balance team, using this thread as proof, has taken up being super defensive when it comes to criticism. It feels like they have ideas but want absolutely no feedback on them from people who play the game religiously.
