not fodder, morden barely won and that was cause his curse was broken op
the rest of them are all fodder tho (except argos he’s just old)
they have influence but only cause they have a huge navy, that’s why the treaty got ruined once calvus died. they got plunged into chaos cause a lot of other high ranking figures died and calvus was the last straw
Sorry bud I’m right your wrong
morden is untrained and had little time to use his curse
julian is trained and has had the curse of a presumably long time, especially considering the fact hes a general
i love julian and all but come on dawg 
he does NOT bring ravennas tier up
more so because they’re apart of the order
the treaty was most likely done FOR the order too
Julian was literally described to be a elite curse user, I can get everything else but he is NOT fodder
And you are just straight up posting a headcanon
hes not exactly fodder but hes also not exactly even close to top tier
far from it
i need to hear where this came from
was it from some random character or a fodder character??
ravenna is fodder
thats not a headcanon
they’re weak
just because julian is competent doesnt mean they’re a top level kingdom
(the funniest part is julian probably isnt even apart of the order)
vetex
exactly cause morden’s curse is broken op
he has an ancient magic in curse form whilst julian has a base magic in curse form
its like if you pit a level 50 pvphead vs a level 140 pve demon
no i would assume it would be for peaceful trading so that ravenna could become more prosperous
nah bro i cant with vetex no more
what the FUCK is he doing with powerscaling genuinely
yes??
is this like
supposed to destroy my point or what
im just pointing out reasons why julian won that fight
the order has no reason to actually commit war
my reason for thinking this?? because its easier to gain peoples trust that way
Ravenna IS fodder compared to most other kingdoms likely, but the treaty wasn’t made because Ravenna is in the order. Atleast with everything we know from the game (and it would be pretty lame if Wotan was apart of the order)
yeah you’re trying to say he’s fodder (or at least you did earlier)
he didnt even win, it was a stalemate cause both of them escaped
except for maybe reasonably gaining prisoners so they can accomplish their goal, which presumably requires god-blooded people (legacies)
refer to a few messages above
never said he was tho??
i said hes not exactly fodder but hes far from top tier
hes literally ravennas strongest
reminder he has the glass curse
ravenna is fodder
yeah
thats the only thing they’re willing to go to war for but first i think it’d be easier to build trust with other nations and then the betrayal (also just more satisfying in storywriting ngl)
mb all i misunderstood your point
no worries it happens 
Actually I think vetex said julian is a stronger than average curse user
Granted, compared to the 500th Uber strong verse soloing argument between forumer starting top tier, he just doesn’t look that strong
I’m pretty sure it was more or less of a tie
Morden managed to survive with a slightly mangled leg
Julian ran away with severe damage(according to Morden I think)
I would have said your wrong, but then I fought General Valerii. I mean THIS GUY is your last line of defense against the Thorne Empire?
You guys know that they have Curses right?
Drawing against someone who like us, can go from struggling against regular pirates to dispatching kings with lost magics equipped with a extremely powerful and deadly Curse definetly brings Julian to probably one of the strongest we’ve seen thus far. Excluding mentions like Wotan obviously.
We can represent a curse user’s power with math. Let’s set up the inferno curse and wood curse as two functions.
In a vacuum, the inferno curse is easily superior to the wood curse.
However, we need to take into consideration other factors like how the curse user trains and improves their ability to control their curse or the time they acquired their curse.
Warren has stayed relatively hidden and has not participated in too many battles, so he hasn’t trained as vigorously as Wotan. If we assume that Warren grabbed the Inferno curse after Wotan has already been getting used to wielding the wood curse, things start to make more sense.
shut up nerd 
i dont need math my word is law 
