Didn’t they unretcon minds
Vetex’s lore gives me a stroke 
At the very least spirit energy level → ability to use magic isn’t a thing anymore but vetex has yet to change the lore doc
Because it doesn’t. Wotan is 100% weak, and if he did train it’s from the usage of his Curse to make Ships. Wotan would fold against 90% of other curse users, he’s likely just a smart strategist with good control of his curse, which makes up for his inherent weakness compared to other Curse Users.
The Chosen One trope…
The Skill gap between the top 25 and everybody else cannot be made up with training. If you have inherent talent at birth, you start leagues ahead of everybody else. I guess this is why nation leaders are so strong. I assume, like the Fire Nation from Avatar, that they simply selectively marry off certain people so their children are just more gifted or born with more Spirit/Magic energy.
In reality, Neviro SHOULD be Calvus level, but until the plot needs him he is a worthless sack of shit and the biggest fraud this side of the Dark Sea.
yeah exactly, i think the only reason spirit energy coming in at later life is so explicitly mentioned early on in the plot is for foreshadowing Neviro, and making his sudden growth of power not look like an ass-pull.
yesn’t? I don’t think Minds apply to the AO game continuity? But they’re definitely canon to the AA game and future AU book series continuities.
They really dont
yes but vetex has stated elsewhere that if he was to publish the AU as a book series, mutations and minds would be brouhgt back since they make more sense from a narrative perspective
I see, hopefully that’s the case
eugenics odyssey
After writing this I’ve kinda come to realize how much headcanon you use in your arguments. Not just here but like in almost every argument you have. I don’t know if its cause you’re baiting or cause you genuinely just don’t know a lot of stuff, but regardless you are the headcanon king. I don’t think I wanna argue beyond this, it feels like we’re talking about 2 entirely different settings for half of this.
Cool headcanon, unfortunately from what little we’ve seen and what more we’ve read we know that Wotan is in fact an actually powerful individual. If you want I will find the sources to back me up but really most people already know this. Even if there is room for doubt on his strength everything you said there regarding his strength is completely made up by you.
I will put this though cause this does objectively mean that your headcanon about the wood curse being automatically weak is untrue
I swear to God if you try to twist then in a way that makes it sound like it means something entirely different then the obvious I’m gonna lose it 
Simply saying this doesn’t really prove anything. Sure PK got a lucky break but you’re acting like he did no training and never got stronger from point a to b, and that he was just already that way from the get go. Which is objectively untrue. If you didn’t mean that then you worded it horribly.
This is an entirely arbitrary and headcanoned limit. We literally have a statement from Vetex stating weapon/fighting style users can be between top 15-25.
This would not be possible if training meant nothing. They straight up shouldn’t be able to be stronger than any magic, curse, or spirit weapon user if training was just completely worthless in the face of raw talent. Not to mention since non-magic users can reach up to top 15 in the verse than obviously anyone born with magic and training can reach beyond that and well within that arbitrary top 25 you brought up. The people within the top 25 are not so inherently powerful that they are completely secure from anyone below them.
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you thought the guy who glazed morock 24/7 didnt bend the rules? regardless, this argument was maybe 80% serious so i’ll follow through with the argument
He has the wood curse. Unfortunately he is not strong…
“but skittle, vetex said hes one of the strongest!!! but skittle!!!”
Did I give Wotan permission to be strong? No. He uses the fucking wood curse. What’s next? Is the second strongest of the cluster going to use the Piss Curse? Conjure a storm of piss? because that’s basically what Wotan can do.
My source: The clash rates…
Regardless, yes he IS weak when all I speak about is the strongest of AO. Wotan is decently powerful for a middling villain, but when you stack him with the definitive top 10, he is worth nothing because he’s not even on that list.
"But Skittle!!! Wotan beats Theos!!! I foresaw it in a vision that came from the fumes of glue up my nostrils!!! "
Bro doesnt know…
Proficiency is the metric we use now? Cool, Wotan is still not even top 10. Top 20 maybe. If we want to say strength is based on age, then the truth is Valencia and Freedrock wipe Cursebeard, but isn’t cursebeard supposed to be the strongest in canon? gulp! sounds like inconsistency!!!
What? The PK and the AO MC are LITERALLY the chosen one trope how are you arguing against this 
the chosen one trope isnt even that bad if done well
Which IS objectively true, because if you open your eyes than YES, EVERY SINGLE MC OF THE AU FALLS UNDER THE CHOSEN ONE TROPE. NONE OF THEM HAD TO WORK FOR SHIT. Is that bad? No. Don’t know how you’re trying to argue against this
Top 25 was a number i pulled out of my ass because i didnt want someone telling me to name the top 25, because the last time I did a top 10 it started a month long feud with puppykeeper, along with a church and it’s own morockian reformation.
It does. I’m not going to argue with you about this. Literally just look at the AU’s Lore. The Strongest are dictated on potential at birth, or curses they own. It’s literally the MOST noticable thing ever.
Theos? The PK? Valencia? Cursebeard? Freedrock? Rupin? Trigno? Morock? They’re all the strongest because of the Curses or Potential they had at birth. Training will NEVER fill the distance between power at birth and power earned.
Sure, if you want your little “power of training!!” thing, you can have Wotan be the Yamcha. Everybody else is a Saiyan. The distance is never being filled.
They are. Please explain to me how Souvella, the boxer is beating Rupin, the Fire Curse user.
tldr: the entire au power system is just the blackpill, you’re either born with it or you can get cosmetic surgery (curses)
Okay… notice how they will never get past that? And be for real with me.
These weapon users are DYING the second some washed up bum gets the twinkle twinkle curse and suddenly can conjure up the power of the gods.
pee
The real fraud here is frauden, you should know basic things like these. Neviro will become important later in the story, his moment just didn’t happen yet. Totally. Just wait a little more. Skyhall, maybe Keraxe. Just wait for it.
no, neviro is weak as shit but he talks good
-Morden
thats literally me
everybody in the group except for iris is a bitch, wotan included
Wotan, user of the INFERNO curse is EQUAL to fucking mr wood over here… mk
Morden can only scale to fucking glass boy (forgot his name)
But the g Iris can wipe out an entire military? mk i know who im trusting my life with
my guy got an upgrade
you never got a splinter if you think wood is a weak curse
mb gng i didnt even thgink of that!!!