Why does Neviro have Darkness, narratively speaking?

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brother has a curse inheritance and a pure bloodline.
that is literally ALL you need in the AU to be strong.

The AU has NEVER been about “training”. The PK was naturally gifted. Theos was naturally gifted. Cursebeard has 4 curses. Durza has the innate ability to steal power. Morock has the strongest curse of all time.

“noooo!!! but he trains so that means his worthlessness is not valueless!!!”
get out of here with your disney low grade shonen-“power of friendship” mindset

tldr: neviro IS worthless, because despite being given the only thing needed to be top 20 in his own sea cluster, he cannot use it + he uses a fucking spear what a geek :rofl:

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Don’t you diss spears

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oh im dissing spears :smiling_imp:

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Genuinely starting to believe powerscalers don’t know how to read

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powerscalers when they’re engaged in a fight with their reading comprehension (they’re frauds):

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Live neviro reaction:
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Ah yes because the second sea training arc just doesn’t exist. Also the reason that Calvus lost was because he failed to train, he thought that natural talent and power would get him through, but the mc had gone through several months of what equates to intense physical training. Climbing the Stepstones, fighting Argos, and even the mines, since that sort work builds up muscles even when not properly fed (seriously read The Stormlight Archive for a similar example of this.)

The AU is about how natural talent pales in comparison to training. The PK was a quick learner not just naturally gifted. Yes they learned and gained power at an incredible rate, but they still had to learn.

Neviro is a normal person, honestly I think he’s the least “fraud” (I still have no clue what that term even means) of all the characters in the verse. He relies on nothing but his own worked for skill, and yes that doesn’t match up to the literal embodiment of destruction that is magic. However, it shows a level of bravery not matched by any character in the AU. Every other character has magic or curses to fall back on.

What does Neviro have? A spear, the weapon of the common man, and you know what? Neviro walks into that throne room and challenges the king of the nation which destroyed his own. That is bravery that is strength. That is why Neviro is not a fraud.

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Originally when it came to powerscaling bs it meant a character trying to act or were said to be strong but aren’t really. Sometimes it’d extend to characters who were supposed be strong but either never do anything or get chumped by stronger opponents. Nowadays though people seem to say it for any character who’s weak regardless of if they were ever claimed to be strong or not.

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That ant is a FRAUD

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I prefer tridents(jk but spears ARE cool)

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“ants are frauds, supposedly they can carry 50 times their weight but they cant even lift my foot off them”

which is why people were calling gojo a fraud

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Woah hold up, I mostly agree with you on Neviro but natural talent plays a HUGE role in the AU - yes it can only be fully realized through training/actual combat experience but saying it pales in comparison is just not true.

The PK may have been a fast learner, but the only reason they were able to get so strong was because they were literally supercharged with magic after being revived. Had that not been the case, they NEVER would’ve been as strong considering they were a peasant without magic before dying. And don’t forget they went from waking up to beating DURZA in just one year (I prefer the 3 years in the webcomic but lore doc says 1). I doubt just training hard could ever result in that.

The AO MC was already born special, being a descendant of the gods. In addition to this, they’re apparently the “strongest of all the legacies” according to Poseidon. They went from waking up to beating Calvus in just 3 months, 1 month of which was spent in the mines. Yes it might have improved their strength a little bit but I doubt it would’ve done a huge amount considering they were being starved of food and sleep. Plus more strength/power does not automatically equal combat ability as seen with Calvus.

Even the power system of the verse lends credit to natural talent in the form of being able to use magic. While non-magic users can still get really strong, magic users will naturally have a higher ceiling cause of the nature of the verse. Don’t even get me started on Curses, which are an automatic super power up that gives the user WAY more natural talent than anybody else (i.e. Morden going from most likely a similar strength level to the MC to being able to go toe to toe with Julian after getting the Death Curse).

So the AU is more like real life, where you need BOTH natural talent and training to get truly good/strong. Sure you can have not as much natural talent while training a ton and still get pretty strong (probably Neviro’s case), but the strongest will always have both.

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powerscaler? since when was i a powerscaler?

this is how you know neviro fans are stupid…
ig if you call out neviro, the weakest of the group despite being given a curse inheritance and a longer time to use said curse inheritance, you’re a powerscaler.

fartman refer to above. also morock wipes this argument clean :yawning_face:

atleast the habsburgs owned shit, the fuck does neviro have? his lvl 1 spear?

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What about that was training? So an absolute freshie who justs wakes up suddenly beats one of the strongest lightning magic users (sage), and beats Theos who admits he wasnt holding back?

No dude, thats a clown argument. That was not pure training. If we’re being real, the PK’s natural talent is the ONLY reason they made it past Savaria.

→ alive for a few months
→ kills a unbound curse user, a person using a staff with ancient evil magic, defeats a prodigy (verdies) that is also part vastus, beat sage, the fourth strongest pirate in the entire sea cluster, then beats a Theos that was barely holding back

that wasn’t training. that was literally just a feat checklist.

What? Do you know anything about AA? The PK was ONLY naturally gifted. Every AU MC is literally just the “Chosen One” character-type, who seems to have an unlimited stream of Magic energy and no mental block, allowing them to learn things despite having NO knowledge of the world around them.

A Normal Person with a second stage curse inheritance? Endless pools of money put into his training with a spear?

sorry but that title goes to my friend Averill, who literally circumvented the entire earth (dark sea and all) on a regular ass ship crewed with regular ass people.

yeah, you’re just admitting his fraudery.

Yeah. The top 10 of the AU is literally only Curse-carried users, or insane prodigial magic learners.

So yes, natural talent is the ONLY thing you need in the AU. The Chosen One trope prevails, the AU doesn’t give 2 shits about your hardwork, bloodline and eugenics mean everything

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they’re also basically the same age so… yea neviro has NO argument to why hes so weak, hes literally the second (only after the MC of course) blackpill-blessed character.

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good day agenda merchant and fellow wAAnker, I can see you’re working hard on that derailment quota of yours. here’s to hoping your soul doesn’t get ripped out of your body and sent to tartarus this month :pray:

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Okay, so looking it over yes my argument does have many flaws. I never played the original AA and most of my information comes from the web comic or AR. So yes natural talent does play a more important role than actual training. Which I don’t really like as it means that any character who’s put time into their craft can just be bodied by someone who just “born” special. So yes Neviro is weaker than the entire verse and probably will remain that way for the entire story. So while my argument was incredibly flawed in ways that I can’t argue against, my point of Neviro not being a fraud is still true.

However, Neviro doesn’t have endless pools of money to put into his training. His entire nation was destroyed, and he was having to run from place to place to avoid Ravennan death squads who we know were hunting him based on dialog from Calvus.

Yet he still put time into training with the spear, which is a lot more than Calvus ever did with his abilities. Finally if a fraud is someone who claims to be strong and isn’t than Neviro does not fit that category. Yes he may have been a little arrogant thinking he could go toe to toe with Calvus, but it’s that kind of self-assurances that a human fighter needs to take on a dragon. Overall while Neviro is certainly weak, that doesn’t make him a fraud as he is aware of this weakness.

Also on the topic of Curse Inheritance, it’s likely he hasn’t trained/used it in a long time, seeing as that would be a dead-give away for his lineage. There’s also the fact it takes time to summon, as shown with Calvus, so he may just have not had time to activate it before a triasta was shoved through his chest. Also there’s a feat for you, survived being run through with a trident and being blasted into the wall, that’s some high durability for a normal person. (Saying normal person, as he didn’t have his inheritance active at the time, so he wasn’t getting any benefits from that.)

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Okay I think you might be moving too far in the other direction now. Yes talent does play a major factor, but you weren’t completely wrong about training earlier either. If natural talent(is that the right word for ones that obtain curses later in life) was the end all be all, characters like Wotan would not be nearly as powerful as he is cause there’s no way wood starts at the same strength as someone with a curse like apocalypse bringer. PK does get stronger over the course of AA to beat Durza and that’s really not debatable though I’m sure you know that.

Yes being born with magic or obtaining a curse or spirit weapon are really important for being able to breach the higher levels of the verse these things aren’t really good without any training. An heck overcoming great challenges does in a way count as training or at least a way to gain strength. This literally happens with the MC’s battles over the course of the bronze sea preparing his body for an awakening.

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Yeah, that’s a much better way of putting than I did. It’s what I was trying to say with Neviro, I wasn’t trying to argue that he was somehow more powerful than Calvus, just that he was less of a fraud. In fact, Calvus is probably a bigger fraud, because while he may be tough as a boss in game … he’s really not all that in the story. Regardless of how long it takes for the player (the person actually controlling the MC) to beat Calvus, the MC does it first try. Meanwhile Neviro was able to survive one of the stronger attacks at Calvus’s disposal.

Finally to actually give my two cents on the topic of Neviro having curse inheritance. I think it’ll play a role later in the story. It’s a Chekov’s gun that while not fired in the Bronze Sea story line, may show up later on. Remember we don’t even know about his inheritance until after we beat Calvus, it’s meant to be an extra layer to Neviro implying he may be more important later on in the story. Overall while his feats in game may not be great, I think that he’ll prove himself later on.

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thank you, i tip my hat off to you, the fair Lord of the City of Ian’s Cross. :pray:

Well yeah, the issue was always in the plot but became tenfold more relevant went Spirit Energy was made, and Spirit and Magic energies are able to be inherited so erm… eugenics definitely exist somewhere in the AU.

No, I think he’s bound for a massive power up. I assume Vetex didn’t give him a curse inheritance for no reason, and it’s explicitly stated and showed that you can get the Spirit Energy needed to conjure magic later in life (Source, the Lore Doc and Enzinor’s questline). So yes, he’s definitely going to be using his Darkness Inheritance whenever the plot needs him to go super saiyan.

Sounds like a skill issue, bro should have just left the Bronze Sea and sought refuge with the Thorne Empire who would love to support a legitimate cause to kill their enemies of Ravenna.

maybe neviro will leave fraudwatch if he can manifest the needed spirit energy (in which case he immediately can become around Calvus lvl, but probably stronger since he isnt a savant.)