This is funny I laughed at this
no the FUCK you didnt dont you lie to me 
I’m telling the truth man, I really like the crazed all caps and medieval king talk bit.
This weird AI generated it with 2 noses I found online is me rn
im watching you from the camera i’ve placed inside of your eyeballs, it did not detect any laughter. if you are to lie to me once more there will be issues.
Maybe they don’t work right because I’m a weird AI-generated IT with 2 noses
Totally fair. I prefer halberds myself.
yo you uh do realize that wotan has been confirmed to be on the same level as the inferno curse user
he doesnt care hes in headcanon land
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I totally forgot about that part, I should’ve said that
Which is complete BULLSHIT this wood FODDER SHOULD NOT EVEN BE CLOSE TO MY GOAT 
True but you always can outsmart people
My question is when did Winterveil fall? My headcanon is around Y1750
If there was one question I could ask Vetex. That’s what it’d be
you have been doing it the entirety of this post friend
You’re viewing this media through the lens of what characters bring to a fight, using power scaling terminology.
You are being told other narrative values Neviro has and are throwing them aside
you are a powerscaler doing power scaling
That’s probably close, Nero didn’t get to stick around much longer before getting arrested by the GN, and then Octavious died when Calvus was 15, and he’s like somewhere around 30 I think by the time we fight him? I’m pretty sure Revon is the same age as the mc which is most likely canonically 18(at least when the game starts) and he was 3 when Calvus was 18 so that’s what I’m basing this on, but I could be wrong. I think you might be a little early with your headcanon, but not by too much.
Edit: Iirc GN was formed like 20 years ago? If so Octavious could’ve only lasted like 5 years as king at most. If that’s true Winterveil has only been gone for like 20 years or so by the time the game starts. Which now that I think about, that lines up with the secret at the gloam ruins which seems to mention a young Neviro fleeing with the rest of his family before Ravenna attacks. So maybe it happened at about Y1834?
Sorry it took me so long to catch up on my own thread 
Lots of interesting stuff here
- We don’t know if the Sage fight at Altavista was canon or not, it was optional side content. Arcane Reborn made it part of the second mind questline instead of the quest in AA where you collected crystals from ships.
- Theos was holding back a lot, it’s explicitly stated he was only 10%.
It does? From Calvus’ dialogue I believed he just didn’t choose to use it until you beat him halfway. That’s a neat fact if it’s true though.
Realistically, yeah eugenics would sadly be very common in a lot of communities I think. Especially for stuff like curse inheritance and godblood.
I disagree with a lot, maybe even the majority of your arguments in this thread, and especially dislike the way you hold yourself, but I gotta admit this is a very interesting idea. Now that you mention it, why wouldn’t the Winterveil survivors immediately flee to Ravenna’s enemy, where they could most certainly get refuge and possibly even light a fire in Thorne’s army to finally take down Ravenna after learning of the secret genocide. I guess Thorne is a long ways away from Bronze, and they were worried a Ravenna ship would recognize them?
Vetex confirmed in patreon chat that Wotan is one of the strongest in the verse. And I 100% believe that that’s feasible as well, which I’ll explain.
You seem to be working off of the assumption that curses have a hard limit to how strong they can get, when the only limit we’ve ever been given is “can’t become stronger than Creation or Chaos,” an astronomically high ceiling.
The Wood Curse gives Wotan the power to generate solid constructs and fully manipulate them in highly advanced ways. There is no limit given on how durable or dense these constructs can become, how big you can make them, or how precisely you can shape them (e.g. you could make a wooden blade that is perfectly sharp even on a microscopic level, surpassing obsidian).
It makes sense to me that Wotan is as powerful as he is because we know he is extremely old, if I remember rightly then he was alive at the time of the gods, or maybe in Cursebeard’s early days. With that much time to train, I have no doubt that he advanced his curse’s properties to an insane level.
If he simply had enough time to train (which he did), he could make wood so dense that it takes Inferno a very long time to burn it. He could make mountain-sized trees with razor sharp branches, and gargantuan hurricanes of splinters. There is NO LIMIT on how much you can train a curse other than the bar of Creation and Chaos. With no limits, the largest factor determining a curse’s strength is not what the curse is, but how much time you have to develop it. Even a curse like Gravity which has a far superior gimmick could still lose to Wood in a flash if the gap in time and training put towards the curses was large enough.
I do believe Warren is stronger than Wotan, but probably can’t fight him at his full potential due to the collateral damage it would cause (evaporating a whole sea maybe, idk I’m in headcanon territory now). Wotan probably trained more frequently than Warren and also lived far longer, making them somewhat close in power. We know of very few curse users anywhere near as old as Wotan.
Rill Hendrix.
General Veridia as well. Consistently beating the Wave Curse user with nothing but circle magic is absolutely insane 
And possibly Iris too, since we don’t know what exactly allowed her to learn Flare. It often gets chocked up to something she was born with, or she’s just naturally super smart, but for all we know she could have studied very hard and poured thousands of hours into learning this type of magic. She’s exceptional for learning a lost magic “at a young age,” not “with little experience,” at least to my memory. Might be wrong on that part.
Weakness doesn’t make Neviro worthless to the group. I think his talent in the story will be charisma and diplomacy (which is another reason why I kinda don’t like the curse inheritance thing because it sounds like it’s going to detract from the message that you can be gifted in different ways than other people).
Power is one of the most important things in the arcane universe, yes, but negotiation has its place too. Ravenna seems to have been carried by it in its later years. Even with all of its curses lost except Glass, it still somehow mediated a truce between Sameria and Keraxe. They were lacking in might but had great influence with words. Not enough to save them of course, but it was something of worth. Neviro may turn out similarly.
I agree, I just think it’s a funny narrative choice to give one of the “edgier” curses like Darkness to Winterveil. And the “Dark is not always evil” trope is generally supposed to be done by calling attention to that or having an arc where someone thinks a darkness thing is evil but then learn it’s not. AO doesn’t call attention to it at all, so it just remains kinda funny to me.
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I honestly just figured he didn’t know how to
Oh wait you mean Calvus
I thought you meant Neviro my b
Most of them are a little too dead, but as for Neviro and his family probably exactly what you said. Not to mention both exits to the bronze sea are kinda chokepoints with pretty decent concentration of Ravennan power. To the southwest you got Fort Castrum and to the southeast Ravenna itself. This probably wasn’t made any better when Calvus formed a treaty with both bordering kingdoms, Sameria and Keraxe, which even if they wouldn’t have turned in winterveil refugees the possibility alone would be a massive deterrent.
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I was mostly talking about the short time where he’s invincible* before the second phase begins.
*The invulnerability is almost certainly a game play mechanic, not representative of any inheritance power in verse.
If that’s true, the uncapped density thing. That um … That has implications, the main one being that curse users could potentially create black holes! Which I guess makes sense since they’re creating matter and all, but wow, that makes matter curse bearers a lot more scary than energy ones. I wonder if any curse bearers have done that accidentally.
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Kitchenware Curse 