Uh no? They WERE mutations, but now they are base magics. And if we talk about mud, then it was already combination of base magics in AA .
Everything that slow down enemy or preven him from attacking (hello wave magic), is hella strong, you just understimate the power of non-damaging debuffs
Now they are base so, no? Still relevant.
Lol, it what i was saying in text…And ye, Diamond is’nt better crystal? That is why i said “Rarely”.
Mud belong to Lost magic cause its:
who knows, maybe diamond will have a special hitbox where if it directly hits then its weak as shit but if it grazes an enemy it causes massive damage.
that’d be a weird mechanic but hey, who knows?
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no.
Still doesn’t change the question that since most mutations from AA were made into base magics, it would be difficult to understand why specifically mud is a lost magic.
I never underestimating the “slowing down” ability, but looking at how much mobility we’ve been given, i doubt it’ll be strong.
I meant irrelevant point to this argument 
Well true but still…diamond is from of crystal…but harder type
If you looked at the other lost magics, you would see why the question of “why is mud a lost magic” is being raised.
Also, (I already repeated this so many damn times) the majority of popular mutations in AA were made into base magics in WoM, THEREFORE, mud as a lost magic is concerning due to the fact magma and ash with much cooler and stronger abilities/stats were not put into the “lost” section.
Everything that was’nt hard to code (Ash and Poison is just clouds ; Magma is just hot hot water etc.) made up to be Base magics. And Vet wanted them to be Base, just get it.
ATP this isn’t even something i should reply to, very weak argument “vet wanted it”
Diamond is hard but its not tough, meaning it breaks really easily if you directly hit something else with it. Hardness is dependent on scraping which diamond is one of the best materials for.
Its why any time you look at high end tools, they usually have some diamond on the drill parts.
Science.
That’s what we are discussing bruh, I am saying mud isn’t unique enough to be a lost magic, fluect is saying otherwise…
this just turned into a political dispute
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what where.
Mud litterely new mechanic of slowing down opponenets…Its Earth combined with Water that can slow down opponenets JUST BY SOMEONE STEPPING ON PUDDLE.
Its not unque enough to be lost? Bruh
their entire problem with mud isn’t the mechanics of it.
its that its mud. I’m sure you can agree that wet dirt magic sounds boring, yes?
Same mechanic as AoE puddles but vet added a simple script to slow mfers down, how is that unique.
Slowing down opponents in fast combat is hella strong thing, tell me where you can slow down opponent just by him getting hit or stepping on your puddle that you can create inf?
By your logic Flare should be base cause its just fire but DoT and AoE.
Sound is just Wind but stronger, etc.
True, but remember we are gonna have all this in AO, dashes, high jumps, magic jumps, and (possibly) weapon jumps. Our mobility is so fucking insane, we are always gonna be in the air, so either way this “slowing” ability is useless, and even if it did hit, im sure asf it’d be ez to escape.