A proposal for reworking the most tedious feature of AO: Modifiers

[Mr_hyperspace]

Uh oh soifonfans replying

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I just didn’t account for that.

[anon8505296]

You said that the current system is fine for direct buffs which is what I think the weak armors need instead of trying to make each item unique, since they’re weaker they’ll need those slight leverages

@darkbitlike

To make it different from enchantments which directly increase the power of an item without any direct cost.

I’m saying that it doesn’t need to be like this because the debuff is just hurting the already weak armors that can use it. I mean if anything, I think it’s the stronger armors that need to have the debuffs (Which they do in the form of atlantean essences)

@darkbitlike

It also meant the core issue of modifiers being a requirement would not be solved.

I feel like modifiers being necessary in a build really isn’t an issue, just as how enchants are a requirement, people probably just don’t like it because you have to do charts to get them, which is what the suggestion says it would accomplish

The current system is just fine aside from the chart gambling

[Mr_hyperspace]

Yknow from 15 minutes of typing a reply I was expecting more

[Mr_hyperspace]

@anon8505296

aside from the chart gambling

My brother in vetex this is the exact thing this suggestion is attempting to fix you arcane illiterate

[anon8505296]

It’s called proofreading, jit

[anon8505296]

@Mr_hyperspace

My brother in vetex this is the exact thing this suggestion is attempting to fix you arcane illiterate

also you missed this part

@anon8505296

which is what the suggestion says it would accomplish

[Mr_hyperspace]

Yeah, you said “this isn’t an issue” and “this is the issue” in the same breath.

Can you PLEASE just accept you don’t like a suggestion and move on instead of being an asshole in the comments for everyone else to see, you rated it poorly, that’s all you need to do if you don’t like it, not yap about how everyone but you is wrong after every reply.

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

@anon8505296

debuff is just hurting the already weak armors that can use it.

just make the weaker armors stronger then so when modifiers are applied they can scale with rare armors

@anon8505296

just as how enchants are a requirement, people probably just don’t like it because you have to do charts to get them, which is what the suggestion says it would accomplish

You can’t get exotic enchants from charts…? did something change?

[darkbitlike]

Personally attacking someone wasn’t a very good way to win an argument in my opinion. It only escalates the level of tension and makes it more difficult to come to a resolution.

What you should do is try to logically disprove the opponents’ arguments, instead of trying to make the opponents give up without fighting.
Win a fight, not end a fight.

[Mr_hyperspace]

@darkbitlike

What you should do is try to logically disprove the opponents’ arguments,

This is extremely difficult over the internet, where people believe there are no consequences, so they refuse to even BUDGE in an argument, I believe in a perfect world, you would be correct. But most people equate internet arguments to ones with ChatGPT, no consequences and the others opinion is invalid. Especially with this walking embodiment of the word edgy over here, I don’t think they actually care about improving the suggestion, they just seem to want to complain.

[anon8505296]

@Mr_hyperspace

Yeah, you said “this isn’t an issue” and “this is the issue” in the same breath.

could you be referring to this?

@anon8505296

I feel like modifiers being necessary in a build really isn’t an issue, just as how enchants are a requirement, people probably just don’t like it because you have to do charts to get them, which is what the suggestion says it would accomplish

The current system is just fine aside from the chart gambling

My point is that the modifiers themselves aren’t an issue, and that the obtainment method is (doing charts then doing roulette for the armor you want). Then I said that the suggestion solves this. You should honestly be agreeing with me.

@Mr_hyperspace

Can you PLEASE just accept you don’t like a suggestion and move on instead of being an asshole in the comments for everyone else to see, you rated it poorly, that’s all you need to do if you don’t like it, not yap about how everyone but you is wrong after every reply.

@Mr_hyperspace

This is extremely difficult over the internet, where people believe there are no consequences, so they refuse to even BUDGE in an argument, I believe in a perfect world, you would be correct. But most people equate internet arguments to ones with ChatGPT, no consequences and the others opinion is invalid. Especially with this walking embodiment of the word edgy over here, I don’t think they actually care about improving the suggestion, they just seem to want to complain.

I’m just responding to what people throw at me, I’m sorry you don’t like it. I think I’m doing a good job providing arguments

if you’re going to be snarky then at least be right, like me

[Mr_hyperspace]

@anon8505296

if you’re going to be snarky then at least be right, like me

Yeah this sentence alone has made me give up all hope in convincing you of anything, I’ve got better things to do than argue with a loser online

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

wait guys can you get exotic scrolls from charts I kinda wanna know

[Mr_hyperspace]

No I think they swapped the “it” from charts to modifiers mid sentence for some reason

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Only shovel scolls.

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

cowabummer dude…

[anon8505296]

@DubiousLittleTyp0

just make the weaker armors stronger then so when modifiers are applied they can scale with rare armors

yeah that could work, but I don’t think Vetex wants to scale all that shit so keeping modifiers the way they are is better

@DubiousLittleTyp0

You can’t get exotic enchants from charts…? did something change?

???

I’m trying to say that modifiers aren’t an issue themselves and that the way of getting them is, I bring up enchantments as an example of something mandatory people don’t hate because it’s not as bad as getting modifiers, which is what you solved

Might be because of my poor wording in which case I apologize

@Mr_hyperspace

Yeah this sentence alone has made me give up all hope in convincing you of anything, I’ve got better things to do than argue with a loser online

damn that’s crazy

[DubiousLittleTyp0]

@anon8505296

yeah that could work, but I don’t think Vetex wants to scale all that shit so keeping modifiers the way they are is better

there’s only like so many “mid” armors that can be good in some cases, just buff those.

ignore rubbish like the leather equipment and buff titanium/wizard robe gear

[darkbitlike]

Yes, it is indeed impossible to win a fight against somebody who cannot be reasoned with.
Well, the world is pretty large, so even if most people are unreasonable, some are reasonable enough that I believe make it worth the effort regardless.

Now here’s the good thing when fighting somebody who cannot be reasoned with through logic.
You can call them out for being “unreasonable”, and force them to start being reasonable. And if they continue to be unreasonable, to exit a fight without admitting a loss, as the opponent would never engage in a battle of thoughts.

However, that would mean you have to prove that the opponents can never be reasoned with. You’ll need actual solid proof made with reasons and logic, and not made by personally attacking someone of course.