Fishing Overhaul

[TheoreticalExistence]

PvE =/= Player vs Enemy
PvE = Player vs Environment

[StockSounds]

I hate when I have to fight the ground to get them chests out.

[SoifonFan74473727720]

@TheoreticalExistence

Except dark sea farming is fun and interactive, fishing is not.
Bad example, got any more?

It’s a good example, you can lose your stuff to random dark sea RNG so it’s an accurate example.

And the concept is really easily explainable it doesn’t need a super advanced example to still be understood.

@TheoreticalExistence

Do you think standing in place and clicking forever is fun and interactive?
No? Didn’t think so.

To me no, to people who play simulator games then yes. My point is that bland and mind numbing is subjective.

@TheoreticalExistence

The entire bronze sea is the tutorial lol.
You go through the entirety of the first sea being slowly introduced to game features through quests.

Random boss difficultly spike begs to differ

If the entirety of the 1st sea was a tutorial then it would be much smaller, much simpler, and it wouldn’t even be the only sea there was for a year.

And for all I know you could probably be right, but AO does a poor job conveying that.

[TheoreticalExistence]

@SoifonFan74473727720

To me no, to people who play simulator games then yes

Is this seriously your argument?
Are you kidding me?
We’re pandering to simulator players now?

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Veteck gotta make moneae.

[anon904914]

Ermmm, pve can be either environment or entity (npcs etc.). Examples of things we can earn in the civilization buildings that could be used for pve would be golden petals for ds, aeroplasts as a pve player’s best friend in getting away from pvpheads, clearstones which is used for obvious reasons, bleeding pots to farm shark fins, there’s a lot more but you get the idea.

Of course, pve players aren’t the only ones benefitting here since pvpheads can farm reagents that synergizes with their magic/weapon.

You might have the wrong idea about pve since it’s not all about fighting npcs/bosses per se.

[SoifonFan74473727720]

@StockSounds

What do they even do?

@TheoreticalExistence

Absolutely nothing.
They will continue to do basically nothing as they get stomped by PvP guilds that want to monopolize islands in a server and raise infamy through capturing.

It is the singular obvious outcome.

There’s this thing called “playing with friends”

I’ve see a few PvE clans, they do in fact exist

I’m pretty sure clans are also getting separated by infamy as well so they don’t have to worry about getting screwed by bigger clans.

[sanek_1]

coming fresh off a hour and half in the dark sea being lost due to internet going out, this suggestion is sick and why are y’all talking about pve clans in the fishing suggestion

anyways, dredge is a game I played non stop until I had every achievement.

arcane odyssey is a game I actively avoid fishing in because it’s too mind numbingly boring and time consuming with what feels like no rewards usually. clearly something needs to change.

[SoifonFan74473727720]

Whether or not it’s pandering to simulator players isn’t the point.

The point is that everyone has a different perspective on how fun a feature is. So maybe it’s just that fishing isn’t for you.

[anon904914]

Fr, comparing fishing to clans is so wrong

[TheoreticalExistence]

@SoifonFan74473727720

If the entirety of the 1st sea was a tutorial then it would be much smaller, much simpler, and it wouldn’t even be the only sea there was for a year.

Redwake teaches you fishing and cooking.
Shura teaches you dashing.
Frostmill teaches you gathering and how to fight basic enemies with magic.
Cirrus introduces you to sky islands and sky ships and introduces some lore.
Elius serves as your first real roadblock.
Sailor’s Lodge introduces you to potion brewing and ship combat.
Argos introduces you to the G key and stealth sections.
Ravenna finally lets you get a brig for real ship content.
Calvus is your big final test.
You get your first awakening and lock in your stat build.
Tutorial ends.

@SoifonFan74473727720

Whether or not it’s pandering to simulator players isn’t the point.

No. Do not.
Do not try to dodge what you said there.

I could not possibly give less of a shit if simulator players like AO fishing, if anything that’s even more of a reason to overhaul it.
If we’re attracting simulator players then the game is doing something very very wrong.

[TheoreticalExistence]

@sanek_1

anyways, dredge is a game I played non stop until I had every achievement.

arcane odyssey is a game I actively avoid fishing in because it’s too mind numbingly boring and time consuming with what feels like no rewards usually. clearly something needs to change.

anyways this is basically my point.
AO fishing sucks, other games have great fishing mechanics.
Why can’t AO have great fishing mechanics?

[anon904914]

Problem with that is both are different genres ngl, one game can focus on the fishing experience while the other has to focus on multiple things as an mmorpg.

[TheoreticalExistence]

We have a ship, a sea, and fishing villages, that’s all you need to set it up as worldbuilding.

[SoifonFan74473727720]

@TheoreticalExistence

Redwake teaches you fishing and cooking.
Shura teaches you dashing.
Frostmill teaches you gathering and how to fight basic enemies with magic.
Cirrus introduces you to sky islands and sky ships and introduces some lore.
Elius serves as your first real roadblock.
Sailor’s Lodge introduces you to potion brewing and ship combat.
Argos introduces you to the G key and stealth sections.
Ravenna finally lets you get a brig for real ship content.
Calvus is your big final test.
Tutorial ends.

Can’t argue with that I guess (suggestion is still feature creep and it’s still intimidating to new players)

@TheoreticalExistence

No. Do not.
Do not try to dodge what you said there.

I could not possibly give less of a shit if simulator players like AO fishing, if anything that’s even more of a reason to overhaul it.
If we’re attracting simulator players then the game is doing something very very wrong.

I’m not dodging what I’m saying, blud

I only brought up simulator players as a specific demographic in response to you saying that fishing is mind numbing as an objective fact. There are probably a bajillion people who like fishing for some reason I’ve never even heard of. It’s not like we’re bringing in simulator players in anyways due to the rest of the game.

Fishing is meant to be simple and that’s just how some things are, not everything needs to be reworked into a highly advanced system.

[SoifonFan74473727720]

Good point that I forgot to bring up

[TheoreticalExistence]

@SoifonFan74473727720

It’s not like we’re bringing in simulator players in anyways due to the rest of the game.

Correct.
So why pander to them?
They aren’t coming to this game anyways so why make a mechanic that only they would enjoy when they aren’t even here?

If you have ideas to help fix fishing, then I’m down to hear them, but don’t just sit there and pretend its good where it is because its very very obviously not.

[anon904914]

I mean yeah but at best we’ll get basic stuff for minor features since the difference with ao is that as an mmorpg, features has to fight with other planned features.

Same reason why digging up treasure charts sucks right now as well since it’s made very basic to focus on other features. Although Vetex planned some sort of progression for digging and fishing, dunno how it would turn out.

[SoifonFan74473727720]

@TheoreticalExistence

Correct.
So why pander to them?
They aren’t coming to this game anyways so why make a mechanic that only they would enjoy when they aren’t even here?

Having a simplistic game system isn’t pandering to people who play simplistic games. In the next few sentences I said that there are people who enjoy it for some reason who aren’t simulator players.

[TheoreticalExistence]

I did read those sentences.
Even the other guy in this suggestion who didn’t like this suggestion agreed that fishing was shit.

I don’t see a single other person aside from you actually defending AO’s fishing “mechanic”.
Hell, YOU don’t even like AO fishing, you’ve said as much yourself.

What on earth are you doing?