maybe if my first thought wasnt “great i will most likely argue bc i literally cant have a nice discussion with the balance team” i might sound more nice
Dude the literal onset to this entire discussion was treating a QoL trade-off as a nerf and using that to serve the point that “<stat you haven’t even seen in action yet> was nerfed” because it was split into 2 stats and you didn’t consider that both would be buffed.
Like you genuinely cannot have a take like that and expect it to not devolve into a bad discussion. You begun with bad faith assumptions.
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Minor spelling mistake. Argument ruined. Get owned kid.
man ima be honest with u, the fact u guys even consider buffing atk speed bc it got split is already hard to believe considering how anti atk speed u guys are, i already spent enough time in the balancecord to realize that no matter what i will just never be able to have any nice discussion with most balance members, and i have no interest in changing how u or any bt sees me considering how u guys are mostly near people treating almost all of ur actions as perfect while jumping anyone that disagree, bt including, maybe if most of u decided to leave that echo chamber and realize that people just dont think that some of ur balancing are good, maybe the community will treat u better, maybe u will also realized that when a stat has been on a nerf streak and then gets another nerf with the justification being “it lasts 5s longer” isnt a good reason but i guess idk nothing about the balancing, cant rlly have any good conversation with people that always come in bad faith
actual delusion
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who thinks chapter 11 will get crammed into the update
refer to the above post
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with all the respect there are just some bt members that are just insufferable, i no longer have any interest to have any conversation with fluect or to not be honest on how i feel about some bt (fluect including) at the risk to never have any probable good faith conversation, i did have some good ones with some bt and i appreciate that but some just are not worth it imo, would be nice if fluect did stop replying as i legit dont care anymore on what he has to say
Hey, to settle this arguing, why don’t yall drop a showcase video for these stats’ effectiveness? Other people may also want to see new numbers in action
“to stop the argument can we get free leaks”
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Hey, not leaks, an official video in vetcord like it was with the chat system and deckhand commands
well he does have a point, they did showcase 1.14 atk speed without leaking anything
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(also not like I would be against some of that stuff…)
This is the most “impression-based” thing ever. I guess I can’t exactly call that unreasonable because impressions are important but I hate when people operate like this.
It was never about “hating attack speed” it’s just that the stat does too much.
- Makes you harder to hit
- Makes your attacks easier to land
- Increases your effective range
- Increases your DPS output
These reasons have been publicly discussed for ages. Affecting projectiles and framedata was publicly part of the reason it was nerfed so bad; why else do you think the efficiency is pegged at 45%? Before it affected endlag it was a little different but now that it is things have arguably changed.
Splitting it isn’t an objectively good idea. I say this because I can genuinely see some of the issues with splitting.
- Some builds may be equally reliant on both aspects of the stat. Those builds will need to invest into both and have overall less efficiency
- Range may have an effectiveness cap because you will only engage in a fight with someone from so far away. Increasing projectile/travel speed is still useful at all ranges but it’s just one thing.
But if you pay attention, splitting it literally solves the problem we discussed above. I subjectively believe that the idea is worth trying.
Thus, if the reason the stat was so nerfed was because it did too much, it stands to reason that if split, both ends of it would be buffed to compensate.
Since “trust me bro” clearly isn’t enough I will say that testers have observed that Dexterity is ridiculously strong right now. Range I feel like there is varying opinions (personally I think it should be buffed, others think it’s fine).
The way I see it a lot of people aren’t interested in having “nice discussions” to begin with, which is why I completely doubt your motivations. They are interested in complaining and want to find reasons to justify their complaints.
I will say that this does not account for everyone who just complains. Because once again “trust me bro” is meaningless, I will provide examples:
- Recent discussions about the removal of Agility
- A lot of people here were genuinely concerned with the stat’s removal. There was a section of people who neglected the fact that their function would be designated to an out-of-combat gem stat. Outside of that I feel like most of their feedback was worth listening to.
- Particular examples would be: “transitioning in/out of combat would be jarring” or “size will become unchecked” or “aren’t there ways we can work around this before removing it entirely”
- This discussion right here about the effectiveness of the balance-team
- Although I do actually feel like some of the people here are biased I think those biases are at least influenced by fact and they don’t bring up any meaningless points
Really it’s just how on-point people are. If people start to gravitate towards narratives that are easily disprovable it shows that they are just hopelessly biased and pessimistic. If they have actual relevant concerns then no matter how much they might hate or disagree with the balance team you can’t say they are only there to complain.
If you wanted to open this up in a way that is critical of the balance team, you could argue “the reason they want to complain is because the balance team has not satisfied them.” I honestly wouldn’t even disagree with that. My beef is when people will make completely unreasonable complaints and just get away with it and immediately shield themselves with “oh so you just think you’re better than me.” No dude with the way you opened this discussion it literally seems like the other way around but ok.
At a macro-level calling these people out doesn’t really solve any problems at all, so you could say that me engaging in these conversations is in-fact personal. But I don’t think that really changes my perspective on this that some people are only here to complain.
Dude it lasts 10 seconds longer not 5. I feel like this is being passed off as a meaningless difference when it’s really not.
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I personally wouldn’t call a demonstration of balance changes a leak.
like balance changes aren’t new content, they’re balance changes.
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no leaks
Where is Divanochi when we need him?
I seen 6 RFAO updates and 67 messages in FRUPN and was really excited… I still am slightly interested on the animal models… but still-
balance this balance that, holy shit dude shut up
(this did happen but i guess it wasnt mentioned on the trello)
now i understand why bteam doesnt listen to non-testers too often
my proposal is to get rid of all stats