Real Greek Mythology vs AU Mythology

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apollo and hyacinthus :pensive: i really hope it’s canon to ao…

Though, there was another version of the story that states that… it was Zeus’ idea :skull:

Then again, ppl forget that Hades actually had a gf when it all happened

Its possible Hades might also be just as bad as the other Greek gods, its just that the Greeks were afraid to make up stories for him cause… death

what are we talking about arcane odyssey or greek myth

Excuse me death god is Thanatos, not Hades

“hades” is also a name for the underworld so they very well couldve been scared of even mentioning it lest they rouse him

I believe its stated that they were actually superstitious abt Hades, so he has less stories

You don’t say?

in ancient times ppl didn’t really say his name from what i know it was a taboo so they said “the king of the underworld” and stuff

similar to the devil or voldemort i suppose

not really hades wasn’t viewed as satan or anything bcuz no god is “bad” at all it’s just that he’s heavily associated with death and you don’t really speak of him unless you’re like at a funeral or something and talking about him or death in ancient times was seen as like a bad omen like you’re opening yourself up to death and stuff and it was also seen as miasmic (idk if anyone here knows what miasma is but it’s the primary reason for that. i can explain it if ppl don’t know)

i mean in that you dont say their names cause its seen as bad

i don’t know if i’ve talked about this before but one thing that bothers me a lot is how unrealistically irreligious the ao universe it

like think about it realistically. imagine that you’re in a world where the existence of gods is 100% fact. like people have seen gods in person. they have heard gods. there’s magic and things the gods created.

and then out of hubris some random power hungry evil man kills those gods. i think you’d be devastated as you and everyone you know is extremely unquestionably religious so hearing that would cause you to grieve and wonder how such a thing could even happen. these beings shaped the universe and everything you know and then they’re just gone somehow

i personally don’t believe people would just accept something like this in any way at all. they would ask questions and from what i’ve seen in ao people are just like “oh well the gods are dead lol sucks to suck” like no??? that’s not at all how people would react?? and also when talking about hellenic religion the gods are always referd to as “deathless” and “immortal” they literally cannot die no matter what and that is actually true in ao. when their bodies get destroyed they become spirits so why are people just like “Welp they’re dead. sucks ig no need to worship them anymore cool” like what??? people would understand that the gods are not like people because they don’t die and go to the underworld like humans. they would understand that the gods are beyond understanding and that even if their bodies are dead they’d still be spirits as you cannot kill forces of nature

you cannot kill lightning. you cannot kill food. you cannot kill wine. you cannot kill the concept of the marketplace. you cannot kill luck itself. the gods even without their bodies are still those concepts. if the gods were truly dead the universe would cease to exist so idk why people in ao like that stupid fake christian twat in cirrus is like “people who worship the gods still are so silly!!! they’re dead!!!” and then she makes the baseless claim that mount olympus is at the bottom of the sea which vetex has said iirc is not true at all.

so basically 1. the gods aren’t really dead and some were still 100% here until very recently (i. e. poseidon and apollo i think) 2. people should know this. 3. they don’t even know for sure that mount olympus is gone they just say it like how could an entire mountain be gone

also they wouldn’t even know this as olympus is not the actual mountain but a separate realm that only gods can enter and i get that arthur was friends with poseidon but it just makes no sense how they managed to kill zeus and then take over his throne like that’s not how it works. but i digress

it’s just bizarre how people have allowed their entire culture and belief system to disappear. like even in greece for centuries after it was colonized people still prayed to the gods in small villages in different forms and said and did things from the religion despite it being “gone” (example that i’ve heard: worship of a “saint demetra” in some village in greece as a patron of the harvest or smth. very clearly based on demeter obv)

like i don’t understand why arthur was allowed to be a king. everybody should’ve spat on him for being the worst after what he did. if you actually killed a god you would literally have commited such hubris and such an indescribable act that the sheer horror of it cannot even be described. like if this was realistic greek mythology then arthur would’ve been obliterated by the force of all the other gods combined. cuz trust me poseidon arthur and a few other gods wouldn’t just be able to kill EVERY GOD. even if arthur had poseidon and apollo on his side (really powerful gods) as well as some others lets say ares and artemis (tho i highly doubt it as imo none of the gods would actually allow some crazed power hungry freak to massacre their FAMILY because this is their family.) even then there’s so many other gods that it just makes no sense. like why did poseidon even do this? like he killed his family and even in the game he’s like “sigh i messed up i miss my family” like??? what??? you helped kill them. how does he not even flinch or care. he’s known them for literally millions of years (from what i remember from the lore doc) like what? and frankly i don’t buy apollo joining arthur as apollo is not wrathful in the way poseidon could be depicted as. apollo literally loved his father and there better be a good explanation for why he helped dethrone him.

and then the total lack of anything hellenic just makes no sense like how there’s no sites of worship. even if the gods are dead people wouldn’t just let go of their faith. like for example jesus apparently died but people still worship him as a spirit so it makes no sense. this would be like if jesus died and everbody went like “oh well he’s dead guess we don’t have to do this religion thing” like that’s not how religion works at all. religion is built on faith and belief without seeing the gods and stuff. you don’t pray to them to get shit. you pray to them cuz you genuinely respect them and love them and want to worship them. the people in ao sound extremely hubristic and like they don’t understand anything.

and i’d understand as it’s been hundreds of years but even then their faith is 1000000000 times stronger than the faith of real world ancient greeks as the gods were 100% without question confirmed to be real. and even now in modern day we have writings and concepts from ancient greek religion that survived 2 thousand years so it’d be insane to think that these ultra religious people would just forget everything

like even non religious greeks in modern times have hella respect for the gods and don’t shit on them at all out of respect (unless ofc they’re arrogant dicks as those exist) just how for example where i’m from even tho most ppl are christian ppl don’t dare insult the gods unless they’re once again dickheads

this is why i frakly don’t get why religion is treated as a joke or a nuisance in ao (and ik this is terribly formatted and worded idk how to word it better lol i’m really tired). like religion is something beautiful eternal and holy and it just feels so unbelievable in ao because people from such a world would not act like this

and i guess maybe this is vetex’s own biases slipping into his writing which happens as ik he’s an atheist and maybe had bad religious experiences but as someone deeply religious i wanna say that people don’t just let go of their faith just like that because their god is “Dead” people wouldn’t even believe it. how would it even be confirmed? arthur said it? they saw olympus crumble? did people just take arthur’s word of it? even then as i said people would understand that the gods are all around them and not gone in any way as you can’t destroy concepts and forces of nature. the whole idea of arthur is flawed and makes no sense. he shouldn’t even exist imo it’d be more interesting if a feud between the gods spiraled without some mary sue coming in and just destroying everything cuz he wants more power. the idea of curses is also stupid imo because why do they make you immortal? being immortal in ancient greek religion literally = you’re a god. the reason the gods were regarded with such praise is because they’re “deathless” and have ichor unlike mortals. literally this is why you cannot approach gods if you’ve been near death recently or engaged in mortal things like childbirth as that mortal energy repels the immortal energy of the gods. so it’s just a little silly to me how curse users are completely immortal because that basically makes them out to be gods but they’re not in any way. the lightning curse can’t allow you to rewrite the laws of physics or control the entire force of nature associated with weather and such. it’d make more sense if curse users instead of being immortal had extremely long lifespans that effectively made them immortal (say 100k years or smth without aging) cuz that would at least make a little more sense

how i’d wish it was is that there would be at least one temple per town and in smaller towns they could even be smaller wooden shrines or communal altars and stuff as that’s how it was. marble temples were actually not the most common as they were extremely expensive and time consuming to build. and i’d make it so at least half the world was still religious and the atheists weren’t just completely dismissive of absolutely everything and so casual about it. why are they just so nonchalant about it in every way? that doesn’t make any sense at all.

and when i was talking about like how arthur’s groupies couldn’t kill all the gods i meant that like there’s literally like 3 thousand nymphs like alone they’re weak but together they’re strong. like the water gods against poseidon could’ve formed an ARMY and gone against him. the gods wouldn’t even fight alone arthur would never win as the entire human race would practically be against him. why would they just allow him to wage this long ass war that lasted years and not do anything? people would protect the gods like demeter for example as she helps them literally eat without her blessings people would basically go hungrier way more and would have no one to turn to. or like tyche or hermes or other gods. and ofc there would be people on arthur’s side but the side against arthur would outnumber him 1 to a few thousand i’d say and the gods could arm those people with experimental curses and op magics and stuff

so idk i don’t think arthur winning makes much sense even with the help of poseidon and apollo (which again i think is kinda strange as he would never go against zeus and his sister would talk some sense into him)

i wanted to say more but kinda lost track of everything lol but yeah i just wish the writing on this was a little clearer and made a bit more sense. i do think arthur winning could be possible it would just need to be explained very very well and in a way that makes sense. even the atheism could work tho people are far too chill about it imo

Holy essay :sob::pray:

Everyone believes in the gods but they know they are all dead, so there is no point in worshipping them

There are a few other religions like the cult of Greenwish and the guys that worship Theos though
I only read the first couple paragraphs so forgive me if you mentioned those already (I’m not reading allat)

no as i said they’re not “dead” just because their bodies are gone. the gods are LITERALLY the forces of nature and spirits. as spirits they are still conscious and powerful and stuff and although we don’t know exactly how that all works i’m talking about how i personally believe would make sense. the point of worship is to thank the gods and show reverence for all they’ve done. without demeter food wouldn’t exist. without dionysus people couldn’t have fun. without hermes speed wouldn’t be a thing. people would still worship the gods as they’d believe in their spirits obviously and see the forces of nature and concepts the gods created all around. if poseidon was truly dead the sea would cease to exist pretty much. (THO THIS IS JUST MY OPINION AND I’M TALKING FROM A REAL HELLENIC RELIGIOUS POV AND HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS AND IS :raised_hands: just putting this disclaimer)

also the whole “no point in worshipping them cuz they’re dead” thing is illogical as i’d argue they’d become martyrs like how christians worship saints even tho they’re just random ppl who died. they still worship them even tho there’s no “point” because they’re dead or smth

also i’m sorry this is so long :sob: i just had a lot of thoughts

I think in ao the gods do have control over certain forces but their death doesn’t just delete whatever they have control over

Also it might just be me but if humans are able to get on the level of the gods, there is no point in worshipping them
Not to mention these are the GREEK gods, who are assholes (especially Zeus)

I will go to great lengths in order to hide the atrocities I have committed against the Skyhallian people.

WHERE IS OMNIMAN

I feel like you’re making a major logical error in assuming that the gods… were actually liked? People didn’t worship the gods because they’re enamoured by some perfect creator who loves all of humanity, they did it cause it might stop them from killing their entire herd of cattle. The gods were kind of assholes, no tears would be shed to them dying. You mention some atheist bias in the storytelling making the gods pretty irrelevant, but are you sure you’re not biased yourself based off modern religion?