Reviewing your suggestions for AO!

[Pingumann]

oh also, stylize that ugly ass interaction button

[wraithel]

i’ve tried suggesting a new UI it doesn’t seem like it’s something people even notice

[Jeffy]

that’s your problem and boowomp

i could have the opinion of wanting magics to have preset attacks (i would have this opinion if lost/ancient magic didn’t exist). but my ass wouldn’t sit here crying

[OnionCream]

“weapons should get customization”
“no, they’re not supposed to”
“why not?”
“because i don’t want it to”
“then u can choose not to”
“just go magic or fs bruh”
“but i want customizable weapons”
“your problem”
there needs to be a facepalm reaction

[wraithel]

we want the old style of magic from AA back!

[Jeffy]

@OnionCream

“because i don’t want it to”

ah yes, i never wanted it to, that’s the whole reason on why it’s like that. awesome strawman

weapon is the path of preset moves and that’s that. if they were customizable they were completly different moves and alot less cool

also vitality will prob also be non-customizable

[Jeffy]

no not really, those were mega boring because they had all the same moves. but then no customization.

[OnionCream]

@Jeffy

awesome strawman

lol i can do that as well watch

@Jeffy

weapons are there to be the thing that doesn’t change. that isn’t customizable

begging the claim + circular argument

@Jeffy

because not everyone wants to customize something, and it’s nice to have a path you can balance the game around because it’s static.

hasty generalization
in fact, i’ve heard of a lot of people happy that weapon customization is being added

@Jeffy

dude. it’s simple. you want costumization? go FS or magic

leave weapon users alone that don’t wanna customize that shit lol

red herring

@Jeffy

that’s your problem and boowomp

i could have the opinion of wanting magics to have preset attacks (i would have this opinion if lost/ancient magic didn’t exist). but my ass wouldn’t sit here crying

another red herring

@Jeffy

weapon is the path of preset moves and that’s that. if they were customizable they were completly different moves and alot less cool

also begging the claim and circular argument

[Jeffy]

yeah i’m using the same argument because it’s the only argument that’s needed.

you’re just pissy

[OnionCream]

just to be clear, your argument is essentially “weapons shouldn’t get customization because they’re the one class that’s there to be the thing that doesn’t change”?

[OnionCream]

@Jeffy

you’re just pissy

also forgot to mention that’s ad hominem

[anon50803445]

bro casually fucking over builds because he doesnt like change

dawg if you dont want customizations then dont fucking customize it. I’m a fucking weapon main (60% wep metal conj to be specific) and I would very much like the ability to customize my weapons somewhat.

There is no reason why half of the builds (including vitality) should be unchangeable especially when weapons with moves people like will have to be shafted in the future for better equipment, like legendary shit.

@Jeffy

yeah i’m using the same argument because it’s the only argument that’s needed.

use a better one, because it fucking sucks.

[Jeffy]

@anon50803445

dawg if you dont want customizations then dont fucking customize it.

that’s not how that works, weapon attacks wouldn’t be the same and then just have customization on them, they would be pretty damn different to fit with the system. you would just completly change weapons

it’s also another whole balancing act, and the game doesn’t have the greatest balancing atm

this discussion is useless anyway because weapons won’t get customization

[wraithel]

@OnionCream

ad hominem

i don’t think he’s attacking you directly he’s just trying to state you are peeved basically ( or that you just want the last word in or something).

i guess i’m going to write a full review of why i don’t think customisable weapons would be a good idea.

ok let’s get started, we got spirit weapons, weapons and magic ( and strength oops ), magic and strength are customisable, within the menu you see in game ( yknow what who cares if it may cramp the UI we can squeeze weapons there), you see from a lore standpoint pure weapon users don’t have control over magic anymore in exchange for weapon skill, these are preset skills in weapons that are currently not customisable, you can say in real life that people with skill in weapons should be able to do these techniques differently but it doesn’t make sense for them to do them repeatedly very quickly ( tiring), or in different sizes ( isn’t like magic or strength).
the lore view is probably not the best and not finished but try think of it through that.

the balancing and development team viewpoint ( consider this alot cause it can get peoples attention but if it’s not realistic to them it’s a nope). they’ve already done and balanced weapon skills and put so much time into them, now coding all these for weapons when the diversity in weapons was supposed to be that they have so many skills, (and the balancing disaster this would cause… )
think about how many spells there are ingame there’s like uhm probably around 10? and there’s like 20+ weapon skills, imagine all those being treated like magic skills, ( we’re not even getting started on warlords and conjurers), anyways it’s all already been decided weapons are not customisable i’m sure they considered it, but decided that having so many different skills is the diversity for weapons.

that all said, there’s no saying that spirit weapons will not be customisable, i can see a “magic”, “strength” and “spirit” it seems like spirit weapons may be what you were looking for.

A group of people go weapon class because it’s not such a mess to research and figure out ( hmm how many blasts, how much % and all those things) it’s simple and you don’t need to be too invested in the game to understand what’s the current metas and ideal set ups ( you don’t got to experiment yourself and all that), it’s not like weapon users don’t have to do that, they’d still have to worry about stat allocations and what weapons to use for their skills and what allocations for sub-weapon builds…

@anon50803445 with what you mentioned, it’s from a conjurers perspective, and it would be cool for weapon skills to be customisable imbued with magic or hybrid skills or something. looking at legendary weapons i don’t think they’ll be the end game best thing as it seems like lost magics and techniques will be end game things too, legendary weapons will probably have multiple skills adding alot of diversity ( imagine the balancing team when there’s like 50 weapon skills that are ALL customisable). it’s not always a good idea to get involved in peoples fights.

look at it like this, development has already decided not to make them customisable, busy with finishing nimbus sea, spirit weapons are planned in the near future, it doesn’t seem like they’d be that bothered to make weapon skills customisable as magic and strength are ( warlords get special skills with certain weapons too, since they’re strong and skilled in weapons), let’s say there is some kind of customisation for weapons maybe it’d be there as some kind of special technique.

that said it seems like conjurers mainly are the party here that want customisation to weapons, there can be spell scrolls unique to conjurers that make use of magic and the weapon ( maybe would have to be a special weapon, maybe sunken weapons get special skills with the colder magics), i imagine it’d fall under the magic tab though.

[OnionCream]

very well said

[Jeffy]

@wraithel

A group of people go weapon class because it’s not such a mess to research and figure out ( hmm how many blasts, how much % and all those things)

yeah a point i had, though better explained.

you can say that if you don’t want to customize you can just not customize, but that just wouldn’t really work imo, like try doing a playthrough of mage without any customization

not everyone wants to have to do their customization, try the spell out (gotta find a dude first too) and then keep trying until you get what you want. some peopel just want the skill and then use it. it’s just that weapon was the path chosen for this (and maybe spirit who knows, i think it would make sense, 2 custom, 2 static.)

also it seems that it just is by game design that these more intricate attacks aren’t/are less customizable. the lost spells we do have are ALOT less customizable, can maybe change 1 or 2 things about that

@wraithel

that said it seems like conjurers mainly are the party here that want customisation to weapons

i’m conjurer

[OnionCream]

respect for posting an actual argument instead of the dumpster fire “bc i don’t want it to ” argument the other guy was saying

@wraithel

ok let’s get started, we got spirit weapons, weapons and magic ( and strength oops ), magic and strength are customisable, within the menu you see in game ( yknow what who cares if it may cramp the UI we can squeeze weapons there), you see from a lore standpoint pure weapon users don’t have control over magic anymore in exchange for weapon skill, these are preset skills in weapons that are currently not customisable, you can say in real life that people with skill in weapons should be able to do these techniques differently but it doesn’t make sense for them to do them repeatedly very quickly ( tiring), or in different sizes ( isn’t like magic or strength).
the lore view is probably not the best and not finished but try think of it through that.

lore isn’t a good reason against changes that a lot of people want
for example, mages are the strongest in lore but no one would want vetex to make mages way stronger than the other classes for the sake of lore
also it’s no different from strength users customizing their skills

@wraithel

the balancing and development team viewpoint ( consider this alot cause it can get peoples attention but if it’s not realistic to them it’s a nope). they’ve already done and balanced weapon skills and put so much time into them, now coding all these for weapons when the diversity in weapons was supposed to be that they have so many skills, (and the balancing disaster this would cause… )
think about how many spells there are ingame there’s like uhm probably around 10? and there’s like 20+ weapon skills, imagine all those being treated like magic skills, ( we’re not even getting started on warlords and conjurers), anyways it’s all already been decided weapons are not customisable i’m sure they considered it, but decided that having so many different skills is the diversity for weapons.

balancing issues can come from any change, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t update the game
it’s like saying we shouldn’t add spirit weapons or increase the level cap bc of the balance issues it might cause

@wraithel

anyways it’s all already been decided weapons are not customisable i’m sure they considered it

does he know?

@wraithel

A group of people go weapon class because it’s not such a mess to research and figure out ( hmm how many blasts, how much % and all those things) it’s simple and you don’t need to be too invested in the game to understand what’s the current metas and ideal set ups ( you don’t got to experiment yourself and all that), it’s not like weapon users don’t have to do that, they’d still have to worry about stat allocations and what weapons to use for their skills and what allocations for sub-weapon builds…

i have not met a single person who does that… even so, you can choose to leave everything at their default setting and let people who want customization customize their stuff

@wraithel

development has already decided not to make them customisable

does he know

[OnionCream]

@Jeffy

but that just wouldn’t really work imo, like try doing a playthrough of mage without any customization

it would work though i can see myself doing that

ur whole argument is based on the fact that not everyone wants customization but i could just as easily say not everyone wants no customization

[Jeffy]

@OnionCream

“bc i don’t want it to ”

do wanna know when i ever said that but yeah thx

[OnionCream]

@Jeffy

because not everyone wants to customize something, and it’s nice to have a path you can balance the game around because it’s static.

here

@Jeffy

dude. it’s simple. you want costumization? go FS or magic

leave weapon users alone that don’t wanna customize that shit lol

here

@Jeffy

weapon is the path of preset moves and that’s that. if they were customizable they were completly different moves and alot less cool

here

even you arguing against it in the first place obviously tells me that u don’t want it to