theoretically
it would take a lot longer due to them using a fraction of the energy mages do
gold’s purity is measured in karats. more karats = more gold = more valuable. if I substituted magic energy for karats mages would be 25 karats of energy while zerkers would be around 1 karat
you guys do know strength and weapons can be equal right
they can get up to the tenth strongest in the verse, after which it becomes entirely based off of being carried by curses or being boosted for some reason.
Strength users are absolutely on par with mages. also weapons and spirit
I mean, I guess? @SoupSnakeSal says mages are just “more” despite no real reason for such (and zerkers taking “longer” to reach equal levels which is rubbish since we can see already that zerkers can accomplish feats that are basically the same as mages)
gameplay entirely goes against this, lore almost entirely goes against this (most of the major figures have curses so we cant quite tell)
the reason mages are “better” is because they live longer and therefore have more time to train to become stronger, if somebody such as, oh I dunno general Argos constantly trained, they could become extremely powerful, to the point they were promoted to a rank almost exclusively used by CURSE USERS.
General Argos makes this entire argument crumble, just like fort talos
living longer is a bit of a double edged sword ngl
but yea I guess this makes sense too, argos is, supposedly, quite strong despite not having any magical talent (though this further supports my argument how anyone can theoretically gain magic through strength)
@DubiousLittleTyp0
Man, I am with you on the fact of not liking stories where effort can’t make you the strongest, really.
But no matter how much we dislike that, here some facts that no matter how much we yap, we can never change ourselves.
1° Quoting Vetex himself, repeated numerous times: MAGIC (and maybe spirit) TRIUMPH OVER EVERYTHING ELSE!!!
The literal reason that someone can learn with effort to punch a hole into a mountain, step on the air or fire a flying slash, is that he has magic in him and no matter how little he has, he can learn to move around a little of it.
So literally, inescapably and inevitably:
MAGIC IS THE POWER SYSTEM OF THE AU
2° and believe me, I would really like if it changed and I hope so every single day, until the literal description of magic says that ONLY THE ONES LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE BORN WITH IT CAN LEARN TO USE IT, and with IT I mean the true potential of magic, the one that are not born lucky are destined to have a lower innate potential.
Can they do something about it?
Sure, they can rely on external factors, like curses or spirit weapons.
No one is gonna disqualify them for cheating or use of drugs, I guess.
And most importantly, they can manage to stay alive, that it’s not of little importance, mind you.
But if you mean running for the place of strongest in the world relying only on their innate abilities, then it’s a no.
It’s not that unreal, even in real live if you are not born with incredible talent you won’t be able to run for the position of 1st in the world, it’s a title that carries that much importance.
Anyone that says:
if I give it my all, even if I have no talent, I’ll surely succeed…
Yeah, don’t know how to tell you man, but life is not that sweet.
You are severely underestimating the world.
well, damn
but this still doesn’t seem to answer some really glaring holes that berserkers can cause (figuratively) in terms of theoretically granting users magic and whatnot
i kind of wish zerkers had their equivalent in terms of “special talent” that not everyone could reach that could let them rival mages better
after more training
zerkers rely on physical prowess for a large portion of their damage output (limited by the fact that humans can only get so muscular)
as for the magic energy part of their power, it’s just not what they focus on when training
arcane steroids 
wait if zerkers took some preformance enhancer, like meth, would they become extremely powerful as their main limit is almost entirely removed
Walter white actually a zerker confirmed
ok hear me out but what if the dragonblood ritual somehow granted zerkers some sort of extra special boost
literal arcane steroids
It’s just aura.
Anyone can use it.
You move it around a little bit, give it some qualities and whatnot, but it pales in comparison to true magic, that’s it.
Example, if two fighters of similar level, one berserker (let’s say iron leg user)and a warlock (let’s say metal user), fought, if they exchanged a blow, I’m pretty sure that the berserker will have the worst.
Aura can enhance, imitate, but it’s not gonna be near the real thing.
I’m pretty sure the only way to resolve this argument is to ask vetex tbh
cant wait for the au to get genetic enhancements in order to make it so zerkers become comically powerful 
should I do it.
should I ping vetex.
Don’t.
I want some final confirmation on this.
it’s not a troll ping either, rather a serious lore question.
don’t do it
I wont stop you though
youll get banned
Do what you want.
But, and believe me, my heart cries saying this, until Vetex changes the lore itself (and the declarations he made), my two points stands as dogmas:
1° Magic wins against everything else (maybe spirit is equal)
2° Only the lucky ones born with it can learn magic.
spirit is equal but spirit weapons are even rarer than magic