Ive never seen this Viprid guy around here before but he cooks hard while staying disciplined. youre a role model
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this is fake news
As another ex galleon analyst, I am also calling bullshit on this post.
Atlas mentioned how old gen traders don’t give a shit about scamming, which is true.
I am currently the most successful AO trader who started in AO, I had 0 items from WoM.
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Contacting AO youtubers isn’t anything bad… It’s just business and they are trying to make the server more successful
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The small group of people who make the decisionmaking are not rich. The current analysts are mostly just randoms with little trading credibility, the only respectable analysts are H0T and Nuclearman7, H0T is no longer very active and NM7 has admitted himself that he no longer is active in the decisionmaking for the value list. So no, the values are not being controlled by a cabal of billionaires, it’s just random players.
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The list is most definitely not made to benefit us. The people in charge of the list don’t give a shit about us, we aren’t paying them money to change prices or some bullshit like that.
a) Seasonals are not worthless or propped up by value lists like this, you’re just delusional. If the value list fell apart and everyone hated on it, seasonals would still be highly sought after, your point on duping makes no sense because most traders give 0 value to duped items and wouldnt pay more than 1k galleons per duped seasonal. You use value lists plural as if many lists prop up seasonals, which is just completely untrue LOL.
b) The decreases in value are due to boss drop values massively decreasing (the value list overshot it though)
c) Most of the analysts are literally broke. The 2 rich ones as mentioned before are H0T and NuclearMan7
d) The value list most certainly does not control the economy. Does it impact it? Yes. Control it? No. -
I agree, I prefer bartering, I dislike the value list, but it’s still not a scamming tool.
conclusion: you have a mental illness
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rather, it’s the opposite
Honestly I just find it funny that you had a chance to make actual relevant points here but you instead fumbled it and made yourself look like an idiot. Do you also believe in the Illuminati? Do the Rockerfellers control the world?
The value list is riddled with flaws and is very easy to criticise, yet you somehow managed to attack it from the worst directions. It is literally better if rich people control the value list purely because they actually understand the economy. If it were a bunch of poor people controlling the list, they’d make the prices as low as possible so they could get richer. This has been proven by the galleon value list polls, at which people voted for powerful and armored scrolls to be worth 5k, when they are closer to 12k.
I disagree, I firmly believe the value list is being manipulated through a complex blackmail scheme running secretly for months in order to ensure the wealthiest traders, who not only were already at very little risk of losing it but have a waning interest in the game (prime motive to run such a scheme), would be involved AO even less than they normally do. This, of course, doesn’t include the even more complex strategical maneuvering of silencing anyone who attempted to leak the truth through backdoor dealings with the moderation team.
In fact, I’m not fully convinced you’re not a paid operative taking part in some kind of focused astroturfing campaign.
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hey hey… bladex you weren’t supposed to tell them!!! we bought your silence with a headless!!! how dare you…
my superiors will hear of this
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headless (and other seasonals)
are like art
they dont matter unless you have a story about them
like people try and trade me stuff for my egg crown (including other seasonals)
and I say no. I like my egg valk
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THIS IS HOW WE ROLL IN AO 
What happened here!?!
just… dont follow the list. trade on your own terms if you are the seller, and on their terms if you are the buyer. learn to haggle, to value items from the other side’s point of view, and to determine whether an item is worth anything or no.
been trading with randoms in lobbies for 300 hours, never took a trade i regretted. traded away a sunken for 6 seasonals, some rare weapons and scrolls for boss drops, random things for strong/hard scrolls back when they were the best ones. if i saw a player disagree with my price, i told them there will be no trade, and thats that.
if you want to do something about the “conspiracy”, stop paying any mind to them
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This is the best advice, nobody is forcing you to follow the list lol
The public polls are a great step forward, communicating with the community about the list more will make it better
However again this is a “Mission Impossible” task, average prices will always never be accurate, even as just a suggestion little timmies (playerbase majority) will take it very literally.
Right now, the best course of action would to put up a fat disclaimer about this
The more people in the server = the more valid it comes off
If they’re just randoms, they got to be more transparent than how they are right now
…but it would be wrong to say the analysts aren’t rich. Every analyst I find on Discord at least has the millionaire role. Maybe there are two or three poor people, but that doesnt invalidate the claim that most of them are rich
Nobody outside of the trading sphere cares about seasonals. They offer no stats and are a convenient way in boosting your account’s worth
I swear inshallah a poll were conducted about this and left to ferment with votes over time… around 50-60 percent of the community would have no care for seasonals. The majority of players are trying to get builds they want. Seasonals are not apart of that. The people stockpiling on goods and trying to amass as much wealth as possible are a minority of the playerbase
and because of the value list, the trading part of the community manages to convince the more casual side that seasonals are worth something. And if we’re talking about market value, sure. But in use they’re literally just a husk. Seasonals are a waste of space as they provide nothing
If us includes the analysts, then no, if us doesnt, then yes
It controls it in the aspect of convenience trading, when the list wasnt as popular… God i miss having quicker deals on marketplace
Yes, this is absolutely the best course of action when it comes to trading
This is the thing though. Not everybody has the free time to get on the game and wander around securing deals. The Value List ruined those quick deals you could get on Discord. There are definitely some snipes in marketplace, but in terms of convenience this is aggravating
I mean do you want the poorer players to be poor? Is there a problem with the poorer timmies trying to get richer through the list? I don’t mean to be that guy but you’re coming off as the stereotypical late 1800s Victorian Capitalist here
If the majority of people are voting for it to be cheaper, then maybe it is worth a little less. And if its not cheaper after the price estimation is changed, maybe someone’s going to notice and the price will get bumped up again
It’s biggest flaw is that it’s trying something that can’t be done. Easy as that
why is their value measured in pounds, do they like measure worth by how much you weigh?
All of my trades were instigated by the other party, and the only time i started the trade was when i was too lazy to transfer items to my other file so i tried to trade some stuff that file had for other things.
My point here is, there is no time wasted in looking at a random trade you are offered and declining or accepting it.
Stat reset guy
The more people in the server = the more valid it comes off
Yeah sure but if in reality its so invaid then people wont listen to it regardless of how many people are there
If they’re just randoms, they got to be more transparent than how they are right now
They should be, but they aren’t. Also you are being too harsh on them, they arent conducting some evil plan in the background, its just mostly regular value stuff.
…but it would be wrong to say the analysts aren’t rich. Every analyst I find on Discord at least has the millionaire role. Maybe there are two or three poor people, but that doesnt invalidate the claim that most of them are rich
being a millionaire is not even close to being rich in AO. There are thousands of millionaires. I will never consider a millionaire as rich purely because any random WoM player who completed the halloween event is automatically 3x richer. Pyridium, yqur, NmzDimtrie, Hmmrap, Nugget, luke, envy, monday, are all basically broke and do not trade. Dietchips is fairly rich. But the only genuinely rich analysts are NuclearMan7 (inactive), Bladex (inactive + trial mod) and H0T (inactive).
These guys are not rich, basically anyone can get 1 mil by just simply existing and occasionally looking at trading forums/marketplace.
Nobody outside of the trading sphere cares about seasonals. They offer no stats and are a convenient way in boosting your account’s worth
Yea they are a convenient way to boost worth, which is exactly why they have value, they only go up in value and rarity. 50-60% Of the community not caring about seasonals is bullshit, its more like 10% of brokies like yourself who hate on them.
The list is most definitely not made to benefit us
The analysts are mostly too poor to get any meaningful increases in value from their value changes. yqur’s claim to fame is havinglike a few thousand eggs lol
It controls it in the aspect of convenience trading, when the list wasnt as popular… God i miss having quicker deals on marketplace
Deals can still be quick, I get many good deals where I recieve an offer, instantly accept, trade done. Basically all I understand is that you are giving horrendous offers and people are no longer stupid enough to take your deals, which is why you get slower deals.
This is the thing though. Not everybody has the free time to get on the game and wander around securing deals. The Value List ruined those quick deals you could get on Discord. There are definitely some snipes in marketplace, but in terms of convenience this is aggravating
The value list didn’t ruin the quick deals at all. If you have a good offer or one that contains something that someone is LF then chances are they’ll auto accept. Once again this merely points to you giving ass offers. You dont have to spend 300 hours trading for good deals.
I mean do you want the poorer players to be poor? Is there a problem with the poorer timmies trying to get richer through the list? I don’t mean to be that guy but you’re coming off as the stereotypical late 1800s Victorian Capitalist here
If the majority of people are voting for it to be cheaper, then maybe it is worth a little less. And if its not cheaper after the price estimation is changed, maybe someone’s going to notice and the price will get bumped up again
You’re literally going against your own point, poorer timmies are controlling the list to benefit themselves through polls by selecting values which are not realistically what the item is worth. Choose a side.
Powerful Scrolls and Armored Scrolls are not close to worth being 5k. What the fuck do you mean “someones going to notice” doesnt that just go against your points again? You say the value list controls the economy. So if the poor people intentionally try to make prices lower then there’s no problem? Weren’t you saying thats terrible for rich people to do (except the values are actually accurate)? The price estimation is beind based off these polls, and the people voting are blatantly lying on their votes as if they can change the price artificially.
It’s biggest flaw is that it’s trying something that can’t be done. Easy as that
The biggest flaw is that it overly complicated, filled with innacuracies, not transparent, not clear, not regularly updated, and not ran by actual traders. The points you criticise are just idiotic.
AO players when money doesnt give them +20 power when equipped (they don’t know it can be exchanged for goods and services)
galleon has literally always had public polls, and they’ve always presented issues/ been entirely inaccurate