What we need is a Path of Exile style economy where rare craft items are currency. Acrimonies are already the Chaos Orbs, we might as well use that
value list users when someone doesn’t give their headless and 2 of their limbs for a pink apple (I made a generous offer guys!!!)
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“good offers only 
, expecting overpays” (I want 3 headless for my powerful)
“Agile + 4000 GALLEONS + extra exotic scroll for my brisk? Hell no 
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It isnt arbitrary at all, in fact the reason its so flawed and outdated is because it isnt arbitrary at all
edit: Wait i might have used a defintion of “arbitrary” that you didnt actually mean, since it has multiple definitions. Can you elaborate further?
pink apple? you are gonna draw uchiha to this post stay silent
I kind of wrote that in a whim anyway.
I feel like they are just inflating items way too much than they are supposed to be, to the point it feels like it is made to make it beneficial to them instead of an impartial list. But that is just my gut feeling.
Also, I feel like the list has influenced people that the values in that list is the minimum price, which kind of explains why things are overpriced. But then again, that is just my gut feeling.
From a non trader perspective I understand your point. But if you took a look around vetcord’s marketplace you would nearly instantly see the large amounts of galleons that are being traded for scrolls, sunkens and acrimonies to name a few of the main items that are being traded. Atm the list is heavily outdated in the sense that stuff on it is often undervalued. Not everything ofc, but a lot is outdated.
It probably has, but people are actually willing to pay those minimum prices a lot which means that these prices are often too low. Here are sunken iron values for example:
If you were to sell them at this price you would nearly instantly sell out lol. Galleons are simply just too easy to get while also serving no significant purpose outside of buying a brig which is just a one time purchase.
The actual problems with the list come from valueing items in terms of galleons. It simply isnt efficient to update & maintain, often leads to misleading value relations between items and allows users to use the valuelist as a rulebook instead of a guide.
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The more I read any trading discussion the more I agree that galleons have to go. But what should be the replacement in your opinion?
yeah like if value of galleons is constantly decreasing and some weapon gets wiped then it becomes very chaotic
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resources collected in mass
I wouldnt replace them with any currency tbh. I would like for there to be a hierarchical valuelist in the sense that items of roughly similar value are grouped up in lets say S tier or A tier etc. The highest value items in that category would be at the top of the tier to make them stand out more.
The reason why I wouldnt use a currency for a valuelist is that it leads to all sorts of misleading comparisons such as 50 dark sea essentia (150k)
for a sunken sword (150k).
But nobody would ever trade their sunken sword for 50 dark sea essentia or the other way around. It simply isnt a viable trade. Not to mention how you would have to balance all prices to keep the list accurate for comparisons that do make sense.
A tierlist would also allow for much less market manipulation since it doesnt offer hard prices like a list using currencies does. Instead, users would have to think for themselves much more
That’s fair. I guess most people don’t like tier lists because they don’t have concrete prices. They sound good to me, in the end, they are still just a community created tool.
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The galleon has actually already tried out my idea but it flopped exactly for the reason you just described 
Oh well, guess we are stuck with this now.
What if we make our own. Might flop hard, but they can’t be the only authority to make lists like that
Personally, I dont see why some exotic scrolls are worth so much more than others, or why sunken weapons as a whole are so over priced.
All exotic scrolls have to same drop rate, and so logically should be worth the same. Powerful and armoured arent worth more than others since you can substitute them for base gear with high power, or gems, and vice versa with other scrolls.
Sunken iron/warrior is pretty much an Universal armour aet. I dont know why sunken weapons are valued so highly, when logically only a minority of the player base can use them (not everyone is a weapon hybrid). They should be worth less, by this train of thought.
And then you have those idiots in Vetcord aaking for overpays. I’m already paying you the market value for the item, why are you over charging??
I feel like people have given up on making their own valuelists since the galleon list was released but tbf valuelists were a rarity even back in wom so maybe the community just doesnt want to make one 
. Feel free to try ofc
Its very simply really, some stats are more desirable than others. Take enhanced and charged for example, they are the same rarity as powerful but they give intensity and power + intensity respectively. But intensity as a stat is very weak so why would you ever trade your powerful for their enhanced? Another good example is warship since you literally only need 1 warship per file.
But those are just the obvious cases, how about powerful vs armored? Simply demand again. Powerful is used a lot more in builds due to sunkens being the most efficient armor and they already give a lot of defense. Substats are also easy to get using gems and gear like silver pauldrons. Not to mention how powerful is good for every build unless you already use a lot of gear that gives a lot of power, but most people just use sunkens.
This argument makes a lot more sense and isnt as easy to counter. I think people value sunken weapons so highly because they have very little competition. Unlike sunken armor, which is only like 5-10% more efficient than calvus gear, sunken weapons have no real competition. If you want to use rising tide you HAVE to use a sunken sword, and since rising tide is good that automatically makes sunken swords good. But your point of not everyone is a weapon user does apply to sunken staff value compared to sunken sword value since sunken staffs are significantly less valuable compared to sunken swords (hybrids + warrior vs just warrior).
Profit, simple is that. Tbf to them tho, once you get sunkens youre basically set in terms of gear so you dont need to trade them away for fair prices since theres no use in doing so outside of a few specific trading scenarios.
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YES! Its like the managers of the list like certain scrolls more than others… also asking for overpays is wild id probably block anyone who says that
the whole idea of value lists is stupid imo, everyone is gonna value everything differently since one man’s trash is another man’s treasure after all. You cant just give each item a static value and even if you did there’s guaranteed to be biases or people rigging the system (The more richer players may value items less, greedy players and broke players value said items alot, etc). It’d just be better for everyone if the stupid galleon list wasn’t so influential
Similar to an issue Vesteria has
There are now dozens of severely overpowered players that would instantly be destroyed into neutrons and hydrogen molecules the moment they touched grass
All of them are easily farming the bosses, to the point that a normal player cannot get enough damage or any drops
This forces them into buying stuff from the maidenless players
The maidenless players, meanwhile, have so much money they can make gold and green tier items, possibly with cosmetics, which makes them extremely expensive
Too expensive, in fact, for an average player
So you have to eat shit and grind until you can afford anything