Pvp is fun lots of people find it fun
Would be cool if there would be a free Elysium pass on weekends to kinda experiment on if the pvp player base would increase or not
I agree but cockblocking rkers and sweats from the main game would definitely drive off some players. Which would be nice but it could mean too many people leave and the game still dies. but most of them are addicted to Elysium anyway so like maybe?
i was wondering, whenever the game can survive on its own without pvp, will there be changes on how pvp work? like are there gonna be zones where u can pvp while the rest is more of a pve/exploration experience?
i was thinking recently that some matchmaking system for PVP, like Chime of Conflict from Deepwoken could help the issue of PVPers killing people who only do PVE
cause then they have a more reliable place to go for PVP
but as stated by vetex and other people, many players just really like randomly killing people, and so something like chime might actually make it worse due to the PVPers becoming better from it (and also likely having ELO or something similar) edit: Deepwoken itself is an example of why this doesnt work
something like chime could still be added but i think we need to give players better ways to avoid PVP, resetting your renown sometimes helps but thereās always gonna be the people that attack you anyway
Maybe when the kingdom allignment update releases, attacking or killing players in or nearby towns and kingdoms could lower your rep with them (so long as its not something like an equal hunt) which could make the guards start attacking you or something like that
Different kingdoms could also treat stuff like that differently depending on their ideals and such (Corsair would probably treat it lighter than Skyhall or Sameria would)
Update: I was wrong!
How is this thread not exploding???
Donāt get me wrong Iām happy to see it but wow weāre on 205 messages and its still on topic.
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I could also just go into how I feel about PvP as it is rn tbh but that would become more my opinion, I donāt dislike PvP but I canāt enjoy it in this game really (at least right now)
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I havenāt been able to share my own opinion on this because I had disappeared into the forest for 2 days, but hereās what I think about the whole pvp situation that the game has.
PVP is fun if both sides agree to it, because it is an extra thing with lots of variety that you can do with low stakes.
PVP with only one side agreeing to it is the single worst thing in the game for most people involved.
The problem comes with the fact that it is mostly a pve game, but occasionally pvp can suddenly be forced upon you when you arenāt ready for it, usually by someone who has spent time getting good at it who doesnāt really respect anyone enough to be nice. If it was mostly a pvp game, people would go into every situation expecting pvp, and getting randomly attacked wouldnāt be that much of a problem.
Additionally, most people arenāt good at pvp because it is rather rare to find someone who wants to actually fight you, leaving you to either attack people who donāt want to fight, or not get good at pvp and be unable to defend yourself.
The actual pvp isnāt a problem, itās that most of the time it is between someone who doesnāt want it and someone who doesnāt care what anyone else wants because they want to feel power over others.
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We can be serious when we try.
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I like the last part
exited for vfx improvements and I like building in games
this update seems amazing 
Depressing. All this story with pvp and income is just another proof that humanity cannot control every single detail no matter how much power they have. We should not blame anyone here expect ourselves for our behaviour.
I do find it weird that some people are acting like heās mad at people who attack low levels or steal cargo or gank, when the only thing heās really complaining about here are pvpers who get mad at him and doompost whenever thereās a change they donāt like
Well it is very much implied that he doesnāt like those people, but they donāt do anything to him specifically. They donāt complain to him about things because they are always stronger than their enemies and donāt need changes. The rant was about people who complain to him, but that doesnāt mean that he only dislikes them.
I donāt see it
āI would remove pvp entirely if it didnāt kill the gameā
It isnāt specifically saying those people but he doesnāt appear to like pvp at all
I donāt know if that means that the specific aspect of ganking, low level hunting, etc is something heās also mad about aside from what he directly tells us he takes issue with. Him wanting to remove pvp entirely doesnāt mean that those things are part of the reason he wants to.
That isnāt to say that they couldnāt be, but I think its better to take what he said at face value rather than assuming something that may possibly be true is a certain fact. Being happy with or mad at something that isnāt certain seems a bit unfair to say the least.
Yeah Iām not going to say that he hates those things definitely, but it is rather likely that someone who only has pvp in order to keep a playerbase dislikes people using pvp to make people have a bad time and make them more likely to quit the game.
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