From what I gather, Neviro is like 23 at minimum.
we’ve a plot hole!
This is also impossible though.
If we take the old man’s words as truth, then Winterveil was likely destroyed around 1786 or around that time.
For the Grand Navy thing, I’m just gonna suspect that Astoria kingdom and some other nations were forced to intervene with Nero because he was causing too much chaos. Meaning the Grand navy wasn’t exactly the ones to capture Nero, their predecessors did.
^ this
I dunno, it’s a very good chance he’s just continuing what his ancestors did
He sees every winterveilan get killed, he thinks “ok time to kill the winterveilans”
the timelines can only match up within a 10 year window
a few key things you need to know.
Calvus took the throne at 11
Revon was 3
Calvus was king by the time Neviro turned 6 since thats when his father was killed.
Akursius stood for twenty years.
- Addressing the counterpoint: “Back at Ravenna, they say the fortress has held for nearly 50 years, and has always been Ravenna’s anchor of control over the Bronze Sea.” This is simply bs and it’s Ravennan propoganda
- Ravenna has a history of altering its history, and Fort Talos is obviously Ravenna’s anchor of control of the Bronze Sea, not Akursius Keep.
Assuming Calvus is around 35 just based on looks, he has been reigning for a total of 24 years.
This means Neviro must be younger than 30.
With this said, this already doesn’t line up.
The Grand Navy arrested Nero, and if the Grand Navy was actually formed 20 years ago like the lore said… then Octavious must’ve had a reign of -4 years???
tf?
ok, lets say you can’t assume Calvus’ age, and he could be 20 for all we know.
Okay! that’s perfectly valid. Either way, Octavious ruled for at least 10-15 years maximum. (assuming Calvus married and had a child at 18 which is very bold to assume)
The only other way I see this making sense in the normal context is if Nero abdicated the throne, which doesn’t make sense in itself knowing Nero.
So when did Winterveil fall, probably around Y1780.
This is a very well put together argument, I must say.
I do have one problem though, that being this line:
I do believe the statement that “which doesn’t make sense in itself knowing Nero” is correct. The in-game Nero seemed quite obsessed with power and authority, and the real-world Nero was a mad man obsessed with control.
However, Nero could have been exiled from his seat of power. Relating to the real-world Nero, he could’ve gone mad. Most likely because of his Apocalypse Bringer Curse, which on top of being a Curse, also resembles Chaos, so it could make its user go insane quite easily.
This could have driven Octavious and the Generals into action, forcibly exiling him from his seat. The now former King of Ravenna would go on to do evil and chaotic things until eventually arrested by the newly formed Grand Navy many years later.
Either that, or he did abdicate the throne. Perhaps he had some good in him, and seeing himself go mad, made him want to abdicate the throne before dooming the nation to chaos. Or, he could’ve had another reason which would be revealed later. vetex did say he was an important figure in the War Seas, and that much more information would be revealed about him.
This actually makes one thing make much more sense: that being the fact that the Grand Navy arrested him. The Grand Navy does not directly involve itself with the affairs of the nations. If Nero were the King of a nation, it would be hard to justify given the values of the Grand Navy. In addition, it would be made much harder due to the fact that he would have a whole nation backing him up. So not only would they have to deal with Nero, but also his Generals. Or he could have turned himself in.
I think that you bring up a lot of good points, but we can’t say for certain that the story has plot holes yet, because the story is not complete yet. What may seem like a plot hole now, could have been planned for in advance, and it could all be in revealed in due time. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time that something that seemed like a plot hole was later revealed to have been accounted for the whole time.
wait winterveil fell ??? haven’t read the agora in a while
how important we talking?
That can’t be if Akursius Keep was destroyed like, 50 years ago, and Akursius was founded on the ruins of Winterveil.
I wrote that before I had been reminded of that bit of info. Now the entire timeline surrounding Winterveil’s fall, Nero’s arrest, Neviro’s age, and when the kings of Ravenna ascended is pretty confusing at least for me. At least without the use of some assumptions and I like to operate on occam’s razor and use as few of those as I can for stuff like trying to accurately pinpoint the timeline of events.
I mean occam’s razor in this situation would probably be;
Vetex (and maybe tech?) got the dates mixed up due to AO’s long dev cycle, the gap between lore reveals and the release of the Gloam Ruins were over a year apart from eachother
We just need someone to address this to Vetex to get a clearer answer
Apologies. It seems I mispoke. I found the message I was referring to:
It seems I combined the lines “if he was killed in combat then it would be well known” and “all you are meant to know for now” into thinking that he said directly that it was important for the future of the story. This means we must come to our own decisions as to how important we think he is.
That’s kinda what I was figuring. Stuff other people have been saying like “Ravenna just made up the timeline” even though it is possible and not totally unbelievable that they would do it are not only assumptions, but also just seems like odd additions that don’t add much.
I’m like 95% sure Tech writes the journals which do have a bit to do with this
Something really bothers me about that journal. Mainly:
He refers to Kessler Boreas as “Uncle”. This means he was the son of Kessler’s sibling.
Then, in Neviro’s Journal:
This is one of a few places where he says that Kessler was his grandfather. This one in particular points out that his father is Kessler’s son. This would make his father and Farzen cousins.
(Sorry for bad quality) Then, going back to the Gloam note:
It is referring to his brother. I don’t think you need me to tell you that brother and cousin do not mean the same thing.
As for what this means, I don’t know. Perhaps it means that there are more Boreases out there?
That or the actual irl person who wrote that mixed up brother and cousin
tech works just fine and to my knowledge i believe im allowed to ping him without getting smited? i do need to double check tho before i try
My biggest question is that why did nobody step in for Winterveil? It’s like watching a dude unleash a nuke and clearly willing to do it again.
The grand navy arrested Nero for atrocities
Fucking CHAOS ITSELF stepped in
Someone asked Techlevel about this in discord, and he himself was… pretty confused. I’m pretty sure Vetex wrote this letter.