Why The Jail/Execution System Has To Go. (rant)

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yes im ranting about this shit, im gonna try to keep it as short honest and kind as i can. and clarification for the one guy or maybe multiple people who will call this “ragebait” it is not. god forbid i form my own opinion in my own head.

and i know people for sure hated the fact that in WoM you had to wait 10 minutes on the dot to start doing the one fun thing in the game besides PVP after getting 1 shotted by a magic council captain, so there is almost no reason to hate the removal of executions and jailtime for players.

first of all, starting off with number 1. REMOVE FUCKING JAIL/EXECUTIONS
why should we remove them? here is the pro and several cons there are of having this stupid mechanic in the game.

pro: immersion feature that makes the game feel more alive
cons:

  • Greater punishment on players who literally just want the ability to gank more people, People with a million fame dont have to wait 10 minutes to play the game again after getting hunted.
  • Frustrating mechanic that causes people to literally wait to play the game. you might as well just add a 500 hardcap to the game and then make a queue to join it
  • Fucks over people with very high bounty making them have to wait at least 15 minutes (quarter of an hour) to play the game again.
  • Unnecessary addition other than for “immersion”
  • Doesn’t also just fuck over the PVP Community, The PVE Community is also effected by this since they still have go through the pain and agony of waiting if they eat shit and fail to hunt a level 260 NPC.
  • Makes it way harder to actually help people. “Hey man can you help me with something?” “Nope I got 4v1ed and now I have to wait 10 minutes to play the game again and you wont break me out because you have fame.”
  • Almost forces you into knowing people who have slots with Bounty so they can come break you out so you can play the game
  • Overall a drag fucking mechanic that should have had never been applied to players and should have had only been kept to NPCS.

TWO: Nobody wants to wait to play the game again.
Honest to god I have a feeling that if Vetex is so anti-pvp and he wants the best for his players he can start making a better step in this by removing the jailtime/execution system for players. literally my entire mood to play the game goes to the shitter when I get put in jail with plot device number 146 (hand cuffs) now. im not pissed because I got hunted, I do not give a FUCK about losing bounty or infamy. what I am pissed about is the fact that *I HAVE TO FUCKING WAIT TO PLAY THE GAME AGAIN. And i’ll say it again. WE. SHOULD. NOT. HAVE. TO. WAIT. TO. PLAY. THE. GAME. I might as well just make it a acronym at this point, WSNHTWTPTG. Waiting to do something because you got hunted by a player or you failed to do get an NPCs bounty is not fun, it is a slog. there are so many things I could have had done after getting hunted instead of waiting in jail for 10-15 minutes.

THREE: Keep it to NPCs only, Remove it from players.
I said this before but im listing it as a point since it is a good one. Seriously, getting hunted as a high bounty player will be a lot less frustrating if this is JUST DONE. I think the execution idea is a good one, But making it where you first need to wait 5-10 minutes in a jail cell depending on your renown and then wait another 3-5 while the executioner reads out your crimes but he keeps on fucking stuttering delaying it by another 2 minutes JUST ISNT ENJOYABLE AT ALL. I don’t want to play the game like this.

FOUR: Its not fair.
Why do fame players get to just come back and gank after being hunted? They don’t get a jailtime. Another reason why this isnt fair is because just imagine this in a gank. 5v5 Scenario but the people your fighting are all bad at pvp BUT… They have fame, so hunting them is basically cosmetic. It does nothing other than feed a big number on your screen. Because of this they can just come back and come back and overrun you until they just give up. Now imagine your getting ganked by a high fame player. It takes 2 minutes for a brig to despawn so they just keep respawning on their Brig after you kill them, and don’t say “oh well it’ll despawn after you kill them a couple times” NOT IF THEY JUST PRESS THE SAIL ICON AND THEN CLICK IT AGAIN AFTER 5 SECONDS. Sinking their ship IS an option but oh my god trying to juggle this while their coming back and rushing you feels sisyphean to do.

this is all i have to say. TLDR; whoever thought of this mechanic was probably not thinking of how badly it would effect people in the long run of the game. its a horrible mechanic and it makes the game not fun to play. its not fair nor fun to have in the game especially at higher tiers of bounty. nobody wants to wait 10 minutes to play the game again.

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if you lose to an npc i think you deserve to sit in the jail cell of shame

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if u actually just sit and stare at the screen for 15 minutes instead of tabbing out and doing something else, or, god forbid, leaving your computer i think thats a you problem atp

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Wasting the player’s time is not a good punishment in video games.

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id argue playing the game itself is a waste of time

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People play games to have fun. Rendering them unable to play the game because they made a mistake is not a good idea.

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then do you want there to be no punishment? do you want it to just be a complete power fantasy with no consequences for your actions?

if i went out and murdered 10 people in real life i would get a lifetime sentence

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Why do we need to punish people for making a mistake because they’re trying to have fun? Ultrakill is an incredibly difficult game I’ve played yet the game lets you restart instantly the moment you die, no time wasted.

Also any argument about “realism” can go fuck off and die in the context of fictional works made for the purpose of entertaining people. You’re either trolling or just have no idea on why people play video games

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You can still punish the player for making a mistake, but putting them in a timeout box for several minutes without anything to do is not a good way to do it. It’s like you’re telling them to play some simulator slop while they wait in the meantime.

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Please note that not every death while combat tagged to a bounty NPC is the player’s fault. It could also be due to one of the many rampant bugs.

Also entirely dependent on the NPC. Most are fine, some are horrific with attacks the size of sandfall that do 500 a hit (usually metal mages).

There’s a big fucking difference between permanently ending the life of a real person and killing a few dozen NPCs in a roblox game. You’d also get the death sentence for that (if legalized where you were arrested), not a lifetime sentence.

It doesn’t need to be a power fantasy, but stripping player agency by forcing them to wait 15 minutes in the cell of shame (plus the extra minute of execution) isn’t good design. If there was a way to break out of jail, it’d be better. If it skipped straight to execution, it’d be better. Right now, it is a system that exists solely for immersion that is a forced break from the game for dying once.

uh, down with the jail system. executions can be funny, but jail has gotta go.

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then why do you even play let alone bother replying to this.

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I once met a random criminal npc who had a homing spell which dealt 700 dmg in one shot

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if i wanted to play a game where i would be miserable and hate my life i would play literally any game made by monad studios, games are meant to be fun, yes there should always be some kind of loss or punishment for losing but making people have to wait is in my opinion the worst choice a dev can do.

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the humble g key:

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cant believe im pulling this shit but you are rage baiting, i dont think ive ever met anyone who thinks this mechanic is good or healthy to keep in the game, yes i am slightly biased but your entire argument looking like “oh skill issue you deserve to go in limbo” makes it almost impossible for me to not call on you for trying to ragebait.

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absolutely insane this awful system has stayed in these games for this many years unnchanged

literally should be like a minute in jail at the very most, i remember when i tried to get back to 0 reputation in wom after being a criminal for most of my playthrough

actual hours of waiting in jail because of criminal notices making getting arrested give damn near nothing

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Wait in line for arcane odyssey

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Anime girl pfp, probably a reddit mod behind it

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Its basically time out. I see why you want it but its time out, and I believe its for the better.

Hear me out. People hate energy system in games, but I dont. Like for me its kind of “if this thing dont exist my whole day is gone”.

Having you in time out immediately after getting ganked or die let you cool off the rage. Sure you now mad at the system but you can just stand up and go to toilet or something.

Also, wdym why bad guy get jailtime and not good guy? Thats the whole thing. Bad guys can do whatever shit they want. Cargo? Like zero drachma investment here. You want to level the whole island? You can do it, good player miss out the fun of it. Npc interaction wise both dont really have any difference.

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nah