This wotan dude

pure headcanon. Nowhere is it ever mentioned or implied he even met or fought the One-Shot pirates, and the One-Shot pirates weren’t even at their peak during the Old Sea era. They only became powerful after raiding the Borealis which happened AFTER they had already migrated from the Old Sea to the main Seven Seas.


Little bro isn’t even a top tier in the war seas. Get this fraud out of here

Cursebeard was still actively looking for curses HIMSELF. The Borealis marked a change, since even in the battle it’s inferred that Cursebeard himself didn’t even do the fighting. Unless you to say he DID, and despite being the “strongest person ever” was unable to destroy the defences of a single ship?

Not true. After the Borealis and Alalea, NONE of The OSP’s best generals even saw combat for like a century until the Cursebeard War against Durza, since they were all just legacies.

By the Old Sea, Cursebeard would have had Poseidon, and himself actively looking for curses.

Razaral trying his hardest to not allow his braincells to connect allowing him to realize what happens when fire touches wood…

Wotan’s curse is just one big fire pit.

Regardless, Morock solos both of them, especially that Wotan fraud who’s primary ability is making… ships :skull:

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Seeen by the fact that atp he had thirty frigates, which was a massive shift from the previous eras of the OSP where all members would be on one ship to maximize their power.

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Yes he would have met the OSP. He very PUBLICLY admits to guarding the Fire Curse in Online Fighting. The Old Sea is only like ONE sea. For Rupin to have been able to commit so many sins for chaos to actually emerge, the OSP WOULD have known about Rupin, or brushed hands.

So yeah, whilst Wotan runs and hides behind his fleets and desperately signs peace-treaties and tries to leave his own sea cluster, Rupin decided to throw hands with a singular sea that contained Freedrock, Trigno, Valencia, Cursebeard, Poseidon, Sond and other high ranking members of both the OSP and the Proto-AG.

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First of all, this proves my point even further because if Rupin ever met Statementsbeard he would’ve gotten one shot and absolutely wrecked

Second of all,



ARTHUR AND HIS CREW WEREN’T EVEN AROUND WHEN RUPIN DESTROYED THE OLD SEA… THIS FRAUD REALLY CAN’T DO ANYTHING!

Remind me who’s wotan’s biggest rival…?

THE BLUE FIRE GUY!

If blue fire man (who is infinitely stronger than rupin) has a bad time fighting with Wood guy then what’s gonna happen to rupin (who mind you, isn’t even a top tier in the WAR SEAS alone)?

Rupin did not “throw hands” with any of them, all he did was hide in his little village away from all the top tiers because he knew he’d get one tapped :joy:

Source?

Is this guy on crack? The Borealis being built 200 years ago has nothing to do with the OSP’s formation date. I mean if you were able to speak English, you would realize that the text does NOT say the OSP were just made.

The Borealis was not the beginning of the OSP, but it marked the OSP’s transition into what it was by the time of AA, which was the Pirate Faction based in Alalea that wouldn’t use it’s strongest generals, and would send out several fleets with upcoming powerful Generals to harass and clash with AG fleets.

Warren is THE weakest GFC user, and thats concerning seeing that the Inferno is supposed to be the second strongest Curse. The Inferno Curse is actually unironically being nerfed for Vetex to have a plot, which is seen by literally every other feat done by people with GFCS.

This is how I know you’re stupid. So Rupin generated as much Chaos as Durza at the Seven Seas in only one small village? Yeah crazy, it seems your brain isnt working at full capacity currently, so I’ll allow you 3 hours of rest before I continue my verbal onslaught.

on everything i unironically think this guy is either sleep deprived or actually under the influence, he somehow went from a wise forumer to someone who can’t even read basic english

Is this the Puppykeeper effect? Is arguing against me THIS lobotomizing?

Source on that? Or did you make it up… LIKE HALF OF ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS?

First of all, chaos is attracted to MALICE not strength. Rupin didn’t need to be strong to attract chaos. All he needed to do was be annoying and kill people, the only reason Chaos even cursed the old sea was because he killed people AFTER the One shot pirates had LEFT THE OLD SEA YOU FOOL

Clearly you must be blind because the date of the borealis raid comes BEFORE rupin’s destruction of the old sea. Meaning that the OSP had already LEFT the old sea BEFORE rupin started his massacre. Meaning he NEVER MET THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE

Ah yes… retconned lore from OF. Truly the most reliable source!

Skittles has truly fallen so far… the delusions of grandeur must’ve taken over his mind

Also, this “source” of yours only proves my point further. This fraud was hiding in his little village “protecting” the fire curse from fodder while the Cursebeard pirates and the actually relevant characters were out there doing actually relevant things

Yo forgetting ALL biases here, brain to brain here.
Do you think the guy with currently THE STRONGEST canon curse is losing to someone else with a weaker curse that also has a negative clash rate?

Malice wont bring chaos. You need to be malicious WHILST committing atrocities. Rupin clearly slaughtered enough people with evil intent for Chaos to emerge, and we know Rupin likely killed in the hundreds during his time in the Seven Seas due to his bounty. Which means, yes, Rupin needed to have done a MAJOR atrocity whilst being malicious for enough Chaos to form to make the entire sea UNINHABITABLE. (unless ur some viking people, ig?)

No, this is just a result of the formation of the AG not making sense. In AA, the Borealis would have been made in a non existent time during the Seven Seas. We KNOW it was made in the Seven Seas, since at the time of AA, the Old Sea was not a major concept, neither was a migration to the Seven Seas even in the lore doc yet.

This is like Morock’s battle at the Bermuda Archipeligo not making sense chronologically, since he fought the AG 100 years before AA, but The Seven Seas is supposedly only 50 years old. So no, I wouldn’t count this as a canon thing, Vetex just needs to fix his lore doc since his new lore doc changes actually destroyed 90% of AA’s lore lol. (Alalea was supposedly ALSO made a century before AA, so erm…)

Not reconned yet, but would be nice if OF also got a lore rewrite since its technically canon, just not reasonable considering the new lore doc changes.
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Protecting the second strongest elemental curse is NOT a fraud activity, lol. It’s actually highly responsible and honourable, considering we know what happens to a person’s mind when under the influence of the Fire Curse

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There is a reason Vetex glazes wotan so much
There is a reason WHY warren does not consider meetings with Wotan to be favorable
There is a reason WHY Sameria considers Wotan THE one opponent that is not to be faced.
Let me ask you this: Do YOU really expect the character built up to literally be the “STRONGEST” and “MOST POWERFUL” in this cluster to be defeated so easily by his rival? If he was so weak in the first place that a clash advantage would matter. Then he would never be called THE CONQUEROR in the first place


“Evil thoughts”
“Attracted to pure evil beings”
Yes, Rupin did slaughter many people. But how many of them were actually powerful? I’m not talking like Admiral level powerful, we all know Rupin easily beats Admirals. But did he ever actually fight or kill someone on the level of a curse user in his own sea? Did he ever fight and subdue a Fleet Commander like Arsen?

This is simply another consequence of retcon man(vetex)'s retcons…

It is quite honorable, after all, these are magic cubes of mass destruction that could cause untold damage to the world, however. I cannot let him slide without being slandered, a man must fight for his agenda… You should know this very well.

Sorry but Wotan isn’t only a fraud, he’s a dumbass. Maybe I’ll put some respect on his name when he stops sending his men into battle equipped with the loadout of some fucking norwegian stripper in 800 AD, when his enemies use guns lol.

The feat of mass murder is not his primary feat. It’s that in a Sea Cluster with VALENCIA and a supposedly RIGHTEOUS Proto-AG, he was UNTOUCHED (and might’ve teamed up with Trigno?)

If we’re being real here, Rupin probably fucking committed murder of like 25-50% of the cluster population, since every sea cluster seems to have a population under like 100-200k and most populations live in like 1 area. The Old Sea probably would have had around 50k or so, which I would say means he killed like 15k-20k Civillians to amass Chaos, whilst also not being confronted by Valencia. So Valencia is either a fraud, or probably a psychopath.

We need OF and AA lore confirmations, since realistically he would’ve, but nobody can say for sure.

Fair, I do wish we could’ve just kept the old AA lore whilst having WoM be the finisher of the trilogy, since it makes no sense for the AU trilogy which starts in the same area, to end like 2 months after the peak of the series, in a completely unrelated region on the other side of Earth.

And to this I tip my hat.

(Hold on did Morock amass Chaos when he fucking slaughtered like 10k members of the AG? HOLY SHIT LOL)

yes, he did.


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i dont know, man… did he?

also thank you skittle the goat for taking over the arguement while i was offline :pray:
can always count on the morock saints

because he wants to make the frauds in the war seas look stronger :laughing:

warren is equal to a guy with a base magic curse that he has DOUBLE power against
(fire + the 2nd strongest of the gf curses)
wotan isnt that strong
warren is just weak :person_shrugging:

Idk why people think the war seas are so weak compared to the seven seas

The war seas have way more established kingdoms and factions with their own navy and army, there seem to be way more curses in the war seas AND the grand navy is stronger than the arcane government

Vetex also said the war seas will have some people on the level of Theos and durza who were both top tiers in the seven seas

Cursebeard is an exception because we already know he’s the strongest

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Also what trello is that it looks interesting

its the old arcane adventures trello
you can find the link in a few comments/replies

LIKE ARSEN.
Not some random ass water mage master, I mean someone who is ON the level of Arsen. Arsen was part of the upper echelon of strength in the crew, he wasn’t some fucking unnamed fodder that got offscreened

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People glaze the seven seas because of nostalgia factor

dawg…
can you not read
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And your basis on that is…?
Wotan has repeatedly been said by Vetex to be among the most powerful in the world, and yes. He is INCLUDING strength as a factor here. Especially since MANY characters have spoken of his strength
You simply cannot accept that Wotan slams half of the Seven Seas.

So do you think that these fleet commanders are as strong as Poseidon…?

No, there is a clear gap of power between all of the commanders. With Poseidon and Apollo being the most powerful of them. If this statement were ACTUALLY true, then the One Shot Pirates wouldn’t have even lost