We should be able to suggest Lost/Primordial Magics

Not most. Some of them are really cool. Aurora is basically just colored light with a cold effect. There is nothing gamebreaking about it. Quintessence (insert Obama giving a metal to Obama meme) also isn’t too overpowered. It is just an upgraded version of Aether with more terrain destruction and a blind effect.

Again, there are a lot of bad suggestions like COVID magic, but, as I said in my post, they don’t warrant a shut-down of all magic suggstions.

i’d rather the focus be on suggestions that add stuff in the near future than suggestions that are still years away to being added. we dont care about lost/primordial magics yet

Who is “we”? Some Prim/Lost suggestions are getting 20+ votes. Many people like these suggestions.

why do you think they got banned? if they were needed you’d still be able to suggest them, we dont care about them yet. just hold onto ur suggestions

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Regardless most of the suggestions are bad and don’t fit with the game no matter how much detail is put, the game will not be at the stage where primordials will be added for a LONG TIME, so please stop making these suggestions, like Mimhere said, it clutters the suggestions category with useless posts that will not be considered. Please stop or move your “suggestion” to off topic

I do have to agree, there are waaaaayyyy too many flame based lost and primordial Magics that are currently thought of. Having more of a variety would be nice while still having the inclusivity of just a medium sized group of Magics. I would also have to agree that maybe it’s too early right now so we really just need to wait until the time comes where ideas can actually be accepted.

From a moderation perspective, this move was definitely rushed.
What exactly am I supposed to do with a thread like this dry ice suggestion?

Normal protocol for suggestions in the wrong category is to move them to #suggestions. But this suggestion isn’t allowed in suggestions. Do I move it to #suggestions and then immediately lock and unlist it? That seems stupid.

If it’s not allowed in #suggestions, and it’s not allowed outside #suggestions, is it banned outright? That’s certainly not stated in the rules, and it’d be a pretty extensive exercise in rules lawyering to argue the implication. Banning discussion of lost magics entirely seems equally stupid.

This has been an issue for a while, though it’s much more prominent with Lost Magics as it’s very difficult to just reword this topic into a discusison thread like you could for something like Infamy suggestions.
There’s a duality of purpose in #suggestions - it’s partially for vetex to get ideas, and partially for the community to share and discuss them. Just because vetex isn’t interested in some types of ideas doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be a place for them to be shared and discussed anyway.

Vetex isn’t interested in 99% of the crap on this forum. We still host it.

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keep it because its the best cold magic suggestion that someone suggested in the sense of suggesting

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Completely agree. Way too many fire magics lol. Even Plasma was cutting it close

Doesn’t really make sense if the point is to stop people before posting the suggestion
Like it’s still going to stay open for 5 days either way

Another problem with banning these is that they start leaking into other categories.

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IMO I thought suggestions was a place for ideas people thought of that might fit the game could be put out onto the forum and discussed about. I never look at a suggestion and think, “Vetex really needs to add this into the game!” I just really enjoy the conversations that come out of those suggestions. Plus if a suggestion gets really popular, and Vetex likes it then awesome. Otherwise I don’t think an entire category should be banned from suggestions leaving no other suitable place for people to talk about it.

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I thought players would have 3 starter magics, 1 lost magic and 1 lost/primordial magic, not 3 magics total.

There are 3 starters, but Starter-Lost-Prim pairs are still useful for character themes.

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I think they mean that people will mostly use a certain theme of magic, not that they only have three slots for their magic. People will still have 3 starter magic slots but may opt instead to use a theme of fire related or earth related magic.

This is a great suggestion that would improve the game in a massive way by allowing Cold-Themed wizards to have a Lost cold magic as well. It was closed in under an hour.

I really think that the current list of lost/primordial magic is missing a lot of variety. Many lost magic types are related to fire, wind and lightning, with a couple odd ones that stand out. I think that’s where magic suggestions might help flesh out the list of lost magic into a more developed variety. Also each suggestion shouldn’t have to fit into games every aspect, thats not the job of the suggester to make it perfect. Vetex should use the suggestions we post to make his own ideas more akin to what the community wants while being balanced in the game. They aren’t applications that vetex will either completely deny or fully accept every part, he is the developer so he can take the best parts of a suggestion to bring the community and the game closer together.

yes we bro, I am a part of the we who feels like you shouldn’t suggest shit that will be added a fucking year later just because you think it’s interesting and suggest something actully relevant to the upcoming Arcane Odyssey Update because vetex doesn’t need to scroll through primordial bullshit just because you guys think it’s fun to shitpost some cool shower ideas that’ll be added a whole year or more later

yea 20 votes epic :poggerfish: yea imagine making a stupid suggestion and getting 20 votes and your argument is it has 20 votes out of the 100s of people on the forums and 1000s of people who play the game so it’s obviously good

I mean this is a forum for the community surrounding these games to come together and have conversations right? That’s the whole point of a forum.